• Kentaree@lemmy.world
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    Ah yes, let’s try and justify one crime by comparing it to another one, conveniently ignoring the fact that neither are victimless. And I don’t even mean the material cost, I mean the fact that the trauma of being robbed can affect a person for life. Here’s a thought, how about trying to make everything black and white we can decide that multiple things can be bad, even in different amounts?

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      who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom…

      You’re not fooling anyone. We know exactly who you are.

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        You don’t know dick. ACAB, and so are other people who cause suffering for their own profit.

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          If I give you a benefit of the doubt then you’re a pacifist. Where you’re going wrong is in believing that everyone else should also be a pacifist.

          Even the Green Party would kick you to the curb. You’re a lone wolf that’ll stagnate in neoliberalism like all the other lone wolves. It’s a net negative to engage. Even if you wanted to learn the majority would turn you down because a Trump supporter would be a better prospective student.

          Remember: You’ll always be judged by the quality of your questions.

          Good luck.

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          You’re choosing ad hominem and red herring over humility and questions. That’s not sustainable.

          We recruit for life. Whenever you’re ready we will still be here teaching the same exact lessons we’ve been teaching for millennia.

          No rush. It’s not like you’re suffering or the planet is dying. Get around to it whenever.

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            You’re choosing ad hominem

            “You aren’t fooling anyone. We know exactly who you are.”

            This u?

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    If police and prisons made societies safer the USA would be the safest society on the planet.

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        You’re using relativism to disprove the idea that overpolicing doesn’t make us safer? My goodness!

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          One lie I’ve heard over and over in my life is how unsafe everything is. Small town people think the cities are unsafe. City people think the small towns are unsafe. They’re not. They’re actually fine. It’s a scare tactic. The media over reports crime. Look at any crime statistics and you’ll see, yes, some recent spikes. As always. But if you’re watching the news you’d think we’ve been in a perpetual crime spike since the 1960’s or so. It’s a safer world right now than it was 50 and 100 years ago.

          The USA is, in fact (even if it upsets you) one of the safest societies in the history of the world. Only behind other modern 1st world nations.

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            In that case we shouldn’t have ANY incidents of police officers murdering people, planting evidence, covering up internal crime or taking bribes.

            Saying, “it’s good enough” in response to “overpolicing doesn’t make us safer” suggests that the overpolicing is ok, and it’s not. So thanks for your input, but I’m upholding my view.

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              I’m not saying it’s “good enough,” I’m saying that it has improved. It will hopefully continue to improve. It’s far from perfect. I have no disagreements there. My problem was with this statement:

              If police and prisons made societies safer the USA would be the safest society on the planet.

              Well it is one of the safest societies on the planet. And it continues to get safer.

              This is not the argument against police you think it is.

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                With one reply you start with backpedaling, then you suggest a moderate approach to the police problem.

                Has hoping that the problem would improve worked for us so far? People are being murdered everyday. When school shootings happen, the cops wait outside for the gunfire to stop before going in.

                Your moderate solutions and hoping for things to improve hasn’t fixed anything. We need a progressive solution or things are going to continue the way they always have.

                I’m sorry but your suggestions aren’t helpful and I won’t be listening to any more of them.

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                  I literally never said anything about police. I’m not trying to argue about police. Just that the world is in fact a safe place that continues to get safer. If the fact that the crime continues to drop, if that destroys your argument about police being bad, then maybe get a new argument about why police are bad. Crime is down. It’s just a statement of fact.

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        I’ve literally never had anybody in my life experience multiple riots, lock downs due to a crazed gunman shooting up his black neighbor and people crashing, burning and dieing in their yard probably due to drunk driving EVER, until I made some American friends. Visiting them was also a trip, fuck they’re paranoid, and honestly I’m not even surprised. You people have police officers stationed at SCHOOLS for crying out loud, how more fucked can it get?!? If I was forced to live in the states I’d also go fucking crazy.

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          I used to get so angry at posts like this. I was an absolute idiot back then. How the hell is this the reality we’ve allowed to be created around us?

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        and the USA is safer than most.

        aaaahahahahahaha. ahahahahahahaahaaaahaaaaa… ahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaa fucking hah!

        NOT funny.

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        The US is ranked 132 out of 163 for safety worldwide. I’d say that actually makes the US one of the least safe countries on earth.

        Is it safer than living in a Roman frontier town during the Hun invasion? Probably… but the point is, clearly having the most militarized police and highest prison population doesn’t make things safer.

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          Global Peace Index includes factors like military spending and weapons exports. It’s not a measure of how safe it is to live inside the USA.

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      Not the bonus panel we deserve, but the bonus panel we get.

      The true secret bonus panel is when the cop gets the bonus for the shooting.

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    Robbers are committing violent crime mostly against the working class.

    Cops should go after both robbers and robber barons.

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    For the record, it’s specifically CEOs of S&P 500 companies that make an average of ~18 million/yr.

    https://aflcio.org/paywatch/highest-paid-ceos

    The Standard and Poor’s 500 is ~500 of the largest companies in the country that are publicly traded. It does not include the vast majority of CEO positions in the US, just the biggest.

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    If robbers only earn $7500 a year why on earth do they do it? Why would anyone risk arrest, jail time, criminal record, maybe even being shot by armed security or police, for such a paltry amount of money?

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      Also armed bank robbery is VERY heavily punished. In some places armed robbery with a gun (even a fake gun) can be punished by LIFE in prison.

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          Life in prison is hell. The food is positively horrific (I’ve heard of fecal matter and even insects being in some of their food) and you still need to work every day like a (literal in this case) slave.

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      You’ll notice that organized crime (ya know, as a metric of success) doesn’t usually rely on robberies as their source of income. Robberies are risky and stupid.

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      Oh, because of the primary driver of most kinds of crime:

      Poverty.

      If you want to lower crime, you lower poverty, you put social safety nets in place.

      Does this solve crime 100%?

      No, but its something like one hundred to ten thousand times more cost effective than not doing that and increasing policing instead.

      … America is a country where homeless people routinely commit bank robberies with unloaded guns and then surrender to police … because at least then they get some level of permanent shelter, food, and health care.

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    There would still be people who stole if we lived in a socialist paradise. And they would still want to be called boss.

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    Yanks trying to make up compound insults is, and apologies for using the word, cringe as fuck

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    Why would I investigate my employer? A healthy chunk of that $15B in CEO salary works its way back into the hands of officers via lobbying for increased pay/benefits, kickbacks to police unions and sheriff’s society’s, and direct hiring for police “consultants” and overpaid rent-a-cops.

    If burglars want to enjoy these benefits, they need to get back to the old school way of doing business. Get. Mobbed. Up. You didn’t see Irish cops bothering the American wing of the IRA or Italian cops hassling the mafia. Burglars need to do the same thing as the rest of the working class and get organized. One stick is easily broken. A bundle is far sturdier.

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      They are mobbed up. Always have been. If you’d been to prison and followed the unwritten rules then you’d already know.

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    I know this is fiction

    because irl a cop would not reflect on his actions.

    He would just shoot & kill this man on the spot.