Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
Vietnam. Decent enough government and standard of living, and they whooped America’s ass so bad that it’d be political suicide to go back there. I mean, what kind of timeline would we have to be on for someone to be stupid enough to… hmm.
Considering that fucking Greenland is caught up in it now, idk that anywhere is safe.
Communism is kind of a red flag though
You get a gold star for that.
Exactly where I am.
I moved to a backwater town in the middle of the desert for a fucking reason, worse comes to worst and I’ve got the benefit of being able to travel in literally any direction and be on res.
if teleportation is allowed, i would just telefrag putin in moscow.
While Latin America is, overall, a good choice, it’s important to recognize that the mask off fascism we are seeing from the US will only increase the meddling they already do on their “backyard”, so keep that in mind.
Was gonna say that.
It was pretty safe in the last two world wars.
If you weren’t living under one of the US sponsored dictatorships, sure.
Which countries are you talking about?
Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Venezuela, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil and probably more I’ve failed to remember.
That’s was after WWII, during WWII Latin America was a “safe” heaven
I suppose if your only concern is whether a bomb is going to drop on you, you are correct. But maybe you should consider if being kidnapped, tortured and killed without your family ever knowing what actually happened to you is “safe”
“Which countries” basically all of them since the 1800s
Just teleport me to L3 and be done with it. Earth-Moon, Sun-Earth, doesn’t matter.
What or where is L3?
I was about to say Mars, but Elon Rat plans to go there
Mars is boring
Choose a cooler planet like Pluto
If we take its actual definition; far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist, countries like Cuba for sure fits the bill. Now Cuba is authoritarian (and normal since they are in permanent and genuine threat from its neighbor) and probably that is not what is in your mind. Latin America is, as many as you pointed out, no ideal… but most countries there at least lacks of a strong government to enforce things (for better or worse) so, in a turbulent world, it is indeed a better bet. I think, for the time being, Spain has proven to be resilient to authoritarianism and even the voters of “extreme” parties are not that extreme themselves! In Latin America, Mexico is proven to have an amazing leadership (today, I consider it the best worldwide) so unlikely to change overnight. Colombia, Chile and Uruguay seems promising too.
See, when we analyze Latin America countries, one cannot think exclusively in terms of US or Europe political science. Our states may seem like weak forces when scrutinized from afar, however this is exactly the problem. Fascism has different ways of spreading through institutions and evangelical militias or drug cartels are literally everywhere. Sometimes, our states do not enforce fascism by law. They are weak on surface and extremely dangerous in their militias and affiliations with drug cartels. The contradiction is the rule around here. Mexico is not the heaven you make it sound. Do not trust a country’s safety based on official governments, it is a starter error when analyzing Latin America politics
A concerning example regarding what I’m saying is the fact that over Rio de Janeiro there are drug cartels which distribute cocaine packed in Israel’s flag. I wish I was kidding.
Is it because they’re Jewish? They support Palestine’s genocide? No, they’re Christian Neopentecostal Evangelicals who apply their (unofficial but VERY real) rules based on the Bible and make money over cocaine cartels. Israel’s flag is a way of showing they are God’s chosen and the true governors of Rio de Janeiro.
This is only a superficial example.
Thanks for the article! Yes, South America is not free from this. One thing I have learned in my life is that how similar people we are everywhere… only circumstances make us seem different. Long gone are my admiration for Scandinavians! What most South America seems however (specially if a sizeable country), is distant enough from China, US and Russia to be easily dragged along in a conflict… and also their governments are weak enough to implement a global draft for instance.
Marquesas islands. They are very large, no dangers, lot of hideouts, lot of food resources, innaccessible for wheel vehicles, almost impossible to build large bases and to urbanise (small interest for China), they are isolated from other archipelagos, and the islands have not even 10k inhabitants in total (14 islands) so no one would get interest in nuking here.
Iceland
Bold to presume that we would want to survive it.
Fwiw Musk says that he wants to leave Earth and go to Mars, which is great news for the rest of us:-).
To be fair, in Musk’s fantasy Mars is the easier planet to live on.
It’s not. The story about mars allowed Musk to build the rockets to launch the StarLink satellites.
Given the preparation for war with China, can we exclude that those satellites carry payloads to take down intercontinental missiles?
Otherwise the USA could feel safe and be willing to engage in a nuclear war.
Most of the violence and oppression gets exported, so it’s probably best to just sit tight here in the heart of the empire.
If I were to stay in the U.S., I’d probably go to Hawaii, probably Maui or Lanai.
Hawai’i will be a main base of operations for strategic command and targeted as a result. The islands are crawling with the US military and then there is the naval installation at Pearl Harbor. If I had to go with an island in the chain though, I would choose Moloka’i. That is if the locals would have me. They are more self sustaining there.
I recommend against Hawaii. It’s not exactly self sustaining since there are too many people living there. Housing/rent is crazy high so there are many homeless. Everything is much more expensive. Jobs can be hard to find. The islands are sinking. Storms still hit every season. Depending on the island, you may be dealing with volcanic eruptions and vog. And I do believe their coral reefs are bleaching. It sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Then factor in the locals, they only want locals living there and to restore their Hawaiian Kingdom, #GoHomeHaole. Best to pick somewhere else.
Latin America. They are not aligned with NATO or Russia/China. And the level of life quality have greatly improved in later years. In fact many migrants feel cheated when coming here because they thought europe was better than it actually is in comparison.
You are very, very wrong
Argentina probably. Generally the southern hemisphere is pretty safe. Nobody’s wasting nukes on brown people, except maybe Israel.
Wouldn’t bet on argentina. They’ve got their own dickhead in chief who’s also waging war against progress.
Yeah, it may not be the best choice, but not the worst either. They’re not much of a threat to the big powers, and if they just stay out of it they’ll probably come through fine.
You’ve got a lot more faith in the system than I do, I think. I don’t think people like Milei wouldn’t coup if a global conflict that strained trade routes were to happen. Authoritarians like him don’t need much prodding to take advantage of a bad situation.
Big hypothetical, ik, but it wouldn’t surprise me if people like him leaned on fascist legacy.
Argentinians are mostly white.
Most Americans have no idea how historically similar the US and Argentina actually were. It’s honestly weird that Argentina’s similar circumstances didn’t turn it into a great power like the US.
Uruguay, New Zealand, or SE Asia
I had Uruguay and New Zealand on my list.
If you go to New Zealand, you’ll have to deal with the shithead billionaires there who will have moved there a few days ahead of you, (since they’ll get extra warning of course), who will have moved already into the fortress-bunkers they’ve been making for a decade or so there.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/billionaires-are-building-luxury-bunkers-to-escape-doomsday/
https://www.massivemagazine.org.nz/articles/9ifugmdie5ofe1utd1bgsw4zascn61
It should be a life mission of anyone in New Zealand, when the time comes, to find out where their air systems reach the surface and throw a few grenades down the ducts. For the good of humanity (whatever’s left).
I think the billionaires probably have given it a bit of forethought. On the positive side they’re an English speaking nation, and my Spanish is mid at best.
Any thoughts about Madagascar or New Caledonia?
Madagascar’s always the hardest to wipe out in that Pandemic game, if that helps :P
Everyone saying Latin America has absolutely no clue about what Latin America is, lol. The only place safe from fascism rn is either another planet or being dead.
As a Puerto Rican, I am very upset about all the fascism taking place in our federal government
As a Costa Rican, I agree. Hell, we even have one of trumps deportation (concentration) camps over here
I could give a ton of counter examples based only in Brazil
Any plans to start saving up to move elsewhere, by the way?
No. Moving elsewhere is a high emotional and financial cost that I will avoid until it is not possible to avoid anymore (also, where in the world is safe of fascism rn?)
