I don’t know what we are anymore. Other than simply just lost and dumb.
Nope, because most US voters never crossed their county line.
That’s not true.
All politics is local
honestly, that’s bullshit. i dunno if i’m just taking something too literally here, but no.
American Exceptionalism, Baby!
it fucking poison. i moved to the us from abroad as a kid and spent my adolescence there. moving back to my home country, i quickly realized that i needed to give myself a serious attitude adjustment.
i don’t think many people from outside the us realize just how pervasive fox news is in america. it’s playing on every television in every bar and every airport and just about everywhere else that has a television. it’s non-stop negativity, non-stop arrogance, non-stop disinformation, non-stop convincing people that patriotism is fervent fealty. it’s gotten a bit stale lately to talk about fox, but holy crap their role can’t be overstated in the way things have become.
It’s just like Russia, only that the official main public TV channel is Fox News, and all the others are too.
Guess which US channel is the only one Russian TV ever cites in their propaganda against the democratic West ?
Exactly. Fox News.
Luckily I was only born in that shithole, my family emigrated 30 years ago, when I was a kid. Still, half of them are brainwashed and watch that crap all day. Kremlin TV. It’s all the same bullshit. Hate, cynicism, making fun of liberal values, playing the victim.
Truth is, USA and Russia are two hateful siblings who usually fought but actually are pretty much the same. Cold war was never truly about systems, it was about who is the top dog. Now they realized they can just work together and divide the cake.
I always hated Europe being so under US influence, but it seemed like the lesser evil because Europe also profited from it, cannot deny that.
But now there’s Russia on the right, and Russia on the left. And China can just relax and wait until the dust settles and collect the pieces.
I hope that people outside the US are aware of how quickly the rhetoric is shifting within the US. The right wing machine is rapidly spinning up a normalization of the ideas that: the US doesn’t need allies at all, the US has zero obligation to abide by international treaties, and the rest of the world is available for us to take. By ‘take’ I mean utter economic dominion and/or military conquest and/or territorial annexation.
The speed at which things are deteriorating here is shocking. An imperial US is a terrifying prospect. This deranged, entitled joke of a country has both an effectively endless supply of armaments and a depraved indifference to the suffering of people abroad and here at home.
The world has a metastasizing US problem.
Nothing is really changing. It’s the exact same system as under genocide joe. It’s a continuation of a loooong history of violence.
The average person is not deeply aware of this stuff. All y’all don’t have any fucking clue what the average American is like.
Most people are just trying to get through the day. They want to pay their bills and make sure the kids are fed and Sally needs to get to dance class and Bobby has been having problems at school and now the boss wants to get that foundation poured tomorrow so you’re gonna have to stay late, but your wife can’t leave work early to pick up the kids so now you have to deal with that and oh, eggs cost double what they did a year ago and you haven’t gotten a real raise since 2021.
They don’t have time to spend on Lemmy, figure out how to use Linux, learn what a tariff is, or debate the difference between gender and sex, or read about what the Heritage Foudnation does. I do, but I’m not most people and the more y’all keep acting like those people aren’t like you people the more problems you’re gonna keep making for yourself.
Grow the fuck up
Damn dude chill.
You can have a life and family and be on Lemmy or Reddit, use Linux, be a weeb or whatever they want.
Most people just choose a side and that’s that.
It’s a like a lazy mental state, I don’t blame them, life is hard and there is so much one person can focus on.
If Trump said that all Americans will become rich, then all Americans will become rich, it doesn’t matter the how or why.
I know people with wife and kids completly oblivious to politcs, but can talk about sports like some kind of experts, telling you all the tactics and player names. Some people just choose to ignore what is important because it’s easier.It might be you who needs to grow up. This is a weird knee jerk reaction.
Non Americans should be able to ask a question about America without being told to “grow up”.
It’s not childish to wonder how much Americans understand about how fucked up their choice of leadership is. We’re not psychic.
Bullshit. It’s easier than ever to know what’s going on in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for not knowing how bad things are.
Not being able to do much of anything about it due to having to deal with day to day concerns, I get. But as an excuse for being ignorant? Absolutely not. That’s a deliberate choice.
I think you’re projecting the deliberate choice part. It think a lot of folks can get reasonably caught up in their own lives and not look into things too deep. It’s effort to overhaul your information intake. Lots of folks have very little effort left over after work, and Its is reasonable to assume nothing has convinced them that their news is bad.
I think its easier than ever to get the info, but that still doesn’t mean its easy enough that everyone and their mom automatically knows what they should be paying attention to.
Making these things about personal failings feels very unproductive. There is a lot to focus on in life. It seems better to try and make the subject approachable and comfortable.
I’m not from the US - that’s why I’m asking. Thanks for the insights into the lives of US citizens. It’s even sadder than I thought. But rest assured: it’s not like this everywhere in the world. Not yet at least and the rest of the world just needs to see that your horrible government doesn’t force your way of life on everyone - because that’s what Trump and his criminal crew want.
I felt safer roaming in Detroit’s urban decay than traveling through a village or town in a red run welfare state.
If they didn’t have kids because it was “the next step” in life they would have time.
They don’t ever browse the internet?
They never watch tv?
And they never have conversations with somebody who has?I’d assume the average american has a rough idea of what’s going on. You’d have to try pretty hard to avoid it.
Of course people are going to prioritise their daily issues and the things that directly affect them, but don’t pretend that nobody ever gets spare time. There wouldn’t be multi-billion dollar media companies if that were the case.
It just seems like people prefer media consumption / escapism over education.
What internet? The one algorithmically controlled by the oligarchs?
What TV? The stations that were purchased years ago by our country’s oligarchs?
What conversations? When everyone around them is being fed the same misinformation, and they treat anyone outside of their bubble as an enemy?
I would not assume the average American has any idea what is going on.
Are you suggesting that the algorithms for every website are pro-trump?
Algorithms mostly care about profit and user engagement.
Go check the front page of reddit and see how most political posts are about trump’s/america’s fuck ups.Sorry, the site that is expressly pro-Trump and has been removing comments critical of the current administration?
Beyond that, I wouldn’t even necessarily describe Reddit as a major player in the U.S. Most Americans are either part of META’s ecosystem or X, and both of those are absolutely pro-Trump.
they treat anyone outside of their bubble as an enemy
There’s the problem.
You don’t need to bring Reddit energy to lemmy. You don’t need to end your post with “grow the fuck up”. No reason whatsoever why you can’t post and write a reply without resorting to anger or agression.
Most of us are either completely deluded or utterly crushed by the collapse of our entire system of government. We know this is corrupt, and we want to organize to bring it to an end. But we have so many checks and balances that even if we all marched today with pitchforks and torches it wouldn’t effect any real change without burning down every police station, city hall, state house, and the federal buildings. All while hoping the military doesn’t show up and now us down with their weaponry. All the whole knowing that there has been a sharp rise in the popularity of police using violence and death as a deterrent.
In short, we know, and we can’t see any way out of this mess. It wasn’t supposed to be possible, and looking back we all saw it coming. But we were just dismissed as alarmists every time we spoke up and we are surrounded by morons who think this is the best thing that has ever happened to this national.
Mass strikes. Call your union, other unions, whatever union. Organise a mass strike day. Repeat it every week.
Call your union
90% of Americans have failed at this step. That’s not a joke or hyperbole, less than 10% of Americans have membership to a labor union.
Unions? You think we have unions in the US? Most have been systematically destroyed by republicans since Reagan.
This is hilarious. Last time my union tried to do anything, Biden stepped in and stopped us. Then he took a victory lap about being a hero in to us while Congress forced a shitty contract down our throats.
If you went on strike republicans would have blamed Biden for not stopping it AND every dumb fuck American who never pays attention would believe it because they’d be directly affected and he was President.
Not like it fucking mattered in the end.
Unions are rare here and trying to organize anything just gets you fired and jobless. Plus people are struggling just to eat, they can’t all strike. It’s really not that simple.
Half are aware, the other half is happy about how things are going. Apparently we have hundreds of millions of racist dumbfucks here.
There are plenty of racists who aren’t fascist. There are plenty or countries with racism problems that aren’t fascist. There are plenty of dumbfucks who aren’t fascist. There are plenty of illiterate countries that aren’t fascist. “Stupidity” (im being careful here - i dont think illiteracy = stupid) and racism predates fascism.
Youve reached the limit of the liberal ideological framework and have resorted to explaining fascism as some sort of cultural pathology. This is what happens when your idealist politics prioritizes individual psychology and moralistic explanations over historical and economic analysis.
It’s frustrating seeing liberals watch the fascist devolution in real-time, and just throw up their hands saying “well i guess americans are just stupid! QED!”. It conveniently absolves them for their complicity in facilitating fascism, and it spits in the face of victims of US policy, both foreign and abroad.
Well I voted against the Orange fascist. Should I go hold an anti Tesla sign at a dealership? What do you expect the response should be with the next presidential election four years away?
Honestly dog, this is exactly the right question. I get it. Shoutout to you for asking it. Truly.
From the liberal perspective, this is exactly how it goes. “I voted against fascism, yet fascism still festers. What gives?”
The liberal framework pushes the idea that electoralism is the be all end all form of political participation, but leftists refute this. Leftists say that you have a plethora of other tools at your disposal to express yourself politically: buy a gun, do mutual aid, join an organization, read theory, participate in local politics, etc…
If your question is earnest, I’d encourage you to read some Lenin.
We understand that fully 1/3 of our population are absolutely bonkers. It’s like being in a boat at sea and 1/3 of the passengers are drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. What the rest of the world should know is that no matter how fucked it seems at the moment, it is going to get worse. We are on the precipice of a climate catastrophe. The AMOC is going to grind to a halt, Europe is going to go into a deep freeze, weather patterns globally are going to fall apart and become chaotic. The real problems are in the distance, so you should prepare yourselves.
But apart from all that, things are looking good?
😂
I really need to build an emergency bag before the summer hits… Whenever that will be
The 1/3 drilling holes in the boat are doing so because the boat is taking on water and obviously they need to drill holes so it will drain.
No amount of evidence, facts, logic, etc will convince them that their “common sense” is not only wrong, but actively making things worse.
Some of us are. No idea how many. We are separated into news bubbles.
Nah, we good.
I’m aware
Everyone I know is nihilistic and numb. We know.
Y’all have got to learn to separate the general population from all the elitist fuckhead of the current government. They were all hiding under their cowshit coveted rocks before the oligurkin mutts drug em out for the show
We’re inundated with propaganda. Our media is state run. All for-profit media is state run.
Our media is state run. All for-profit media is state run
Could you elaborate on that take?
Reporting on things outside of the leading party’s agenda are not allowed in broadcast and print media. The leading party in the United States is the ownership class.
For some reason the administration and conservatives want to be a rogue state, they enjoy it. Rest of the country is either politically oblivious or helplessly defiant.
