links in body.

I saw a post yesterday about chemtrails and everybody poopooed the thought of secret civilian chemical testing by the US government.

Unfortunately, the Church committee, the 1975 senate committee that outed the US intelligence agencies and US military for their human rights abuses against US civilians and military personnel, received direct testimony from those agencies conducting the experiments that various branches of the US government, without notification or consent, absolutely and admittedly conducted live civilian experiments with harmful chemical and biological agents and weapons via sea, land and air, beginning at the very latest in the early 1940s and continuing for at least 30 testing years, supposedly ending in the late 1970s after the experiments were exposed by the 1975 Senate committee chaired by Frank Church.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

while chemical and biological agents were dropped by air hundreds of times(chemtrails) onto unaware US civilian populations, chemical and biological weapons and toxins were also sprayed over dozens of US cities without notification or consent via Operation sea spray and related operations:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray

these abuses are settled US history.

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    Read the linked articles, they are not long. A small handful of cases are being carefully exaggerated in the post body to make it seem like a much broader problem.

    The following claims are unsupported by the links:

    harmful chemical, biological and radiological agents and weapons

    while chemical and biological agents were dropped by air hundreds of times

    chemical and biological weapons and toxins were also sprayed over dozens of US cities without notification or consent via Operation sea spray and related operations

    These fairly obvious lies aside, the badly cropped image and the “supposedly ending” should be a dead giveaway that this person is being manipulative. 4/10 misinformation post. Not the worst work I’ve seen op, but kinda meh. I’m sure you can do better.

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      These are verified US government and news sources you can look up directly from the links provided or elsewhere.

      The 1976 senate committee led by frank Church is established historical fact.

      the US military and intelligence agencies admitted to conducting hundreds of chemical and biological weapons testing on civilian and military personnel without consent.

      those experiments are established fact.

      that Senate committee hearing includes all the testimony and documents from the scientists and military officials who conducted these tests.

      The reveal of these experiments are fully supported by recordings and documents of that Senate hearing and the scientists and military personnel who testified to designing and conducting those experiments.

      the facts are very clear here.

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        As usual, a couple careful lies are inserted into a broader, more sensible argument.

        hundreds of

        Give me your source for hundreds, instead of a small handful that your links had.

        chemical and biological weapons

        Give me your source for weapons, instead of mostly harmless stuff that sickened less than 0.1% of people exposed like your links said.

        I’ve been around the block too many times to fall for this bullshit, op. Like I said, 4/10. I’ve seen much, much better than you.

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          “source for hundreds”

          aside from the already linked sources you aren’t reading, here’s PBS explaining a specific couple hundred of the tests (a small portion of the tests revealed by the church committee) in plain English.

          https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/weapon-secret-testing/

          if you want to go into more detail or look at the hundreds of other tests that the US government admitted to, you can read the linked articles, the actual Church committee report itself and any of the testimonies given by the scientists and us government agencies who conducted these tests.

          this is publicly available US government history.

          “Give me your source for weapons”

          the source is the US government. The US military and intelligence agencies saying they are testing anthrax and serratia marascens, as well as many other agents, as biological weapons.

          “In the Army’s words, these experiments “proved the feasibility of covering large areas of the country with [biological weapons] agents.””

          again, directly in those government and news sources I’ve linked to.

          “I’ve been around the block too many times to fall for this”

          …to fall for documented historical facts?

          acquiring new verified knowledge is called learning, it’s not a trick.

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            That PBS article says 200 total tests were conducted to study biological weapons. This does not mean 200 were large scale releases on the American public. It then talks about the same handful of examples your wikipedia article lists. This does not support your overall claim. If you said a dozen large scale tests, with hundreds of total tests with some being much smaller, you’d probably be fine.

            They were testing for how spread works for something like Anthrax by releasing other, not-Anthrax bacteria. The bacteria they released were not weapons. This is why everybody didn’t just fucking die.

            You’re a manipulator and a deceiver, op. It doesn’t matter if you yourself were deceived first.

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              you making things up doesn’t change the facts provided by the US government in those sources.

              these are historical verified documents and recordings testified about by US government agencies and scientists in a senate hearing.

              your fabrications have no relevance here.

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                My “fabrications” are all clearly laid out in the sources you yourself provided, to anybody that spends a minute thinking about it. If you have any evidence of actual anthrax being released, or these hundreds of experiments being large scale, you are welcome to provide them. I will gladly review them. I am, after all, open to being wrong if it is proven.

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                  you can “think about it”(deny verified evidence) and fabricate your objections and theories, or you can read the provided sources and except the overwhelming verified historical evidence of biological weapons testing on non-consenting US citizens.

                  there is no suggestion anything on the church committee was made up and all the evidence presented during the hearing supports the findings of the Senate committee.

                  “large scale”

                  The entire city of San Francisco.

                  aircraft carriers.

                  the second link provided in the post explains the scale of that single experiment, Operation sea spray, among hundreds.

                  The US government has admitted to these biological weapons attacks, the senate committee investigated, recorded it and has the documents and recordings.

                  there is an abundance of evidence, testimony, documentation and recordings provided by the US government and the scientists who conducted these experiments.

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                    Again, a dozen large scale experiments and 200 total experiments does not let you combine the two and say 200 large scale experiments. Doing so is inaccurate.

                    Studying the spread of one pathogen by releasing a different one is not “biological weapons attacks”.

                    I got all of this from your links, which would have been very hard for me to do without reading them. Your links do not say what you say. They say what I say, and I encourage everyone to read them and find that out for themselves.