Hey everyone, I’m new to Lemmy and just starting to figure this site out. I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn’t publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here (on the official site it says “Censorship resistant - By hosting your own server, you can be in full control of your content.”).
The weird thing I saw with Lemmy was when I wanted to sign-up on the “lemmy.ml” server instance that according to the official Lemmy Servers listing page is a “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, run by Lemmy’s developers”.
So I thought I try that one when it’s from Lemmy’s own developers. When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism” which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I’ve never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it’s part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.
This seemed very sketchy to me. Does anyone know something about this?
The developers of Lemmy are Communists, they don’t hide this fact.
To answer your first question, there are no “free speech” instances in wide use, depending on your point of view an instance might be “censoring” or fighting “misinformation.” It’s up to you to pick an instance you want.
That depends on the instance you are in.
lemmy was made by communists. if you don’t like it go back to reddit.
I suspect the devs wouldn’t even agree with this take.
C’mon dude, they just asked you to copy a quote from the Capital, not to recite a whole brochure with the latest analysis on imperialism. And/or swear by it,
It is the most basic common ground for every left wing person and a monumental text in modern Western literacy.
Most people I would care to discuss with should have a basic understanding of what is written in there, and I believe it is the same for people running their own instance.
If you take such a vehement stance against “quoting” Das Kapital, then you probably you lie so much off center that I would personally could have no productive discussion with you.
I mean, even the notion that this is some kind of pledge of allegiance is suspicious enough in its own sake, like letting us on you believe leftists are somehow indoctrinated[^1]. I you weren’t a little removed about Das Kapital you could even subvert the text by quoting something out of context so that it says something unintended by the authors.
But indeed, if you are turned off by this playful screening question, then it only shows that such screening serves its purpose most effectively.
[1]: To be frank lemmy.ml does not even defederate neoliberal instances, so perhaps there is a paradigm shift for you right there.
How about freaking No!
Lemmy might be written by communists, but nothing stops you using it on an instance that is not.
Also, there’s other threadiverse apps out there that work fine with the federated network if you really don’t want to use one created by “communists”
I don’t think making this place a total echo chamber, by telling people to “go back to reddit” is in any way a good thing.
Freakin epic bacon sauce.
The .ml admins are, to put it mildly, far left. That’s why it’s great to have other instances like lemmy.world, feddit.org etc. If you don’t agree with how the admins run an instance you can make an account somewhere else without missing out on content.
Seems like a simple task to help verify that you are not a bot. It might also help deter applicants who are anti-communist. I guess you solved the problem for yourself by choosing a different instance.
Probably this, I have had to do the same for private tracker sign ups.
Censorship still exists in lemmy. I got banned from an instance just because I said some things that weren’t aligning with far left ideas. I was one of the active members of that instance (we were very few) on non political communities.
I made a political post and one of the administrators wasn’t OK with it and started insulting me and then banned me from the whole instance.
sounds like someone’s a nazi~
If I am a nazi then the whole planet is. I am from left and hate rich people. I was just expressing my view of how my country is letting people who can’t integrate to the society live in. Some people get citizenship when they have extreme views about womens and do not let their works when trying to get them welfare for not working.
I am not against welfare or immigration but the people will let in should benefit the society and not the opposite. If you check Switzerland, Japan, Nordic countries which have good immigration policies, the quality of life is way better. They do still have issues but not related to immigration.
I am not against welfare or immigration but the people will let in should benefit the society and not the opposite.
This is not a “leftist” tenet. For someone who ‘hates’ rich people you sure as fuck think exactly the way they do, piglet.
“Can’t integrate into society” and then goes and supports Imperialist ethnostates, lmaoooo
You see, you are just insulting and making assumptions. I don’t care about ethnicity as long you adhere to the country values. Do not impose your religion in a laic country, it is not OK to disturb people with your music in public just because it is OK in country, do not take transport without paying because it is OK in your country, letting children cry or make noise late in the night isn’t OK ,… They are not exaggeration, I am experiencing them. I have had discussion with them and I am immigrant too and those behaviors are OK. I got responses like “it is normal that children make noise at night”. We are talking about running and crying for hours after 10PM.
Because you’re a fascist who deserves ridicule.
Let it be clear, you took an effectively anti-immigration stance on the basis of cultural differences, then praised Imperialist Ethno-States. Yes, it was correct to ban you.
Where did you see that? Even if it is the case isn’t that just censorship which the subject of this post to which I am responding? There were no discussion or anything and ban you from the whole instance (not just the community).
the people will let in should benefit the society and not the opposite. If you check Switzerland, Japan, Nordic countries which have good immigration policies, the quality of life is way better.
Right there. Anti-immigration on the basis of cultural differences and praise for Imperialist ethno-states.
Secondly, no, racism should be banned and censored to protect marginalized groups. Censorship of racism is a good thing.
The original developers of Lemmy are communists who were seeking to create a social media space that would be free from corporate censorship and centralization. When they created ml, they decided to have it be geared towards communists and leftists as their specific flavor of the Lemmy community, because that is what interested them.
If you are looking for a less political and more general instance, I’d recommend:
lemmy.world
sh.itjust.works
lemmy.dbzero.comAll 3 of those are highly political instances, though. Lemmy.world is overwhelmingly liberal and enforces that bias, and dbzer0 is mostly Anarchists. Sh.itjust.works is the least overtly political but leans liberal.
dbzer0 are western techbros predominantly; that’s infinitely worse than just white anarchism imo. Computer touchers, AI theftbox molesters, and shills for Youtube Red.
Yea, I agree in general, though some few of the users are okay from what I’ve seen over on Hexbear. The site interests absolutely attract the techbro-anarchist style that just doesn’t have any solid background in theory and just serves petty-bourgeois individualist thinking that Lenin had to fight against his whole life.
as I said in my other comment just now, no shitjustworks is barely mask on Nazi shit.
A lot of its users are full fash Nazis, lots of NATO stans and the meanwhileongrad crowd are omnipresent. I’ve seen some users treat the instance more like Lemm.ee, as a tool for interacting with the rest of the fediverse, but you’re right in that I immediately view anyone with a sh.itjust.works handle critically, and I’m in no way attempting to downplay the fascism from many users.
I’ll edit my comment, though.
And leans towards eating lots of glitter. At least in my experience.
😂
Very interesting, thanks for the reply. I signed-up on lemm.ee since that’s the 2nd biggest instance on their list. Is this a good server as well? (The description here says: “General-purpose Lemmy instance. New users and communities welcome!”)
I’ve been happy on lemme.ee for the fact that they didn’t get caught up in the defederation drama about a year ago, and that they’re mainly a neutral landing instance to go about interacting with other communities on other instances. Other instances will defederate with instances they disagree with, a form of censorship in itself, whereas the admins of lemm.ee leave it to you to block what you don’t want to see yourself.
Exactly why I like it here too. They really do let the user choose their own censorship limit.
Lemme.ee is fine. It wouldn’t hurt to have multiple accounts in different instances in case one goes down for maintenance so you can keep browsing. I recommend dbzero since they’re techy and don’t lean on politics as much as other instances.
It wouldn’t hurt to have multiple accounts in different instances in case one goes down for maintenance so you can keep browsing.
Grass? Never touch the stuff. Worms fuck in it.
Any instance whose rules you agree with is good. Picking a big one that’s not the biggest is a good call so good job.
Yeah, that’s a good one. Honestly, at the end of the day, it matters more what communities you follow than what instance you are on.
But what communities are available to you depends on which instance you picked. Right?
Yeah, because they are all part of their respective instances and those instances (de)federate with each other. ml and ee are both good for that purpose. My own instance is bad for that purpose, but after spending some time on a more mainstream instance, I decided this was better for my mental health.
Wrong. You can subscribe to any community from any instance that is federated with yours, and it will show up in your feed. Once one person has subscribed to an outside community, it will start to appear under All in your home instance as well. If you pick a home instance that is federated with most of the others, then you essentially can see everything you would feasibly want to see.
I am subscribed to communities all over the Fediverse.
Technically yes, but in practice for any of the big instances, not really.
I still see all the communities I want from SJW: local, dot world, dot ml, lemm.ee, etc
Exception is Beehaw because they defederated us but they also deferedated Lemmy.world too they’ve already cut themselves from most users. I have an acct there anyway but don’t feel the need to check it much anymore.
Edit: another notable example is Lemmy.world won’t allow federating with any communities focusing on piracy.
Lemm.ee is less politically oriented than any of the 3 that were recommended, by the other user, but it’s lesd of an instance and more of a tool for interacting with other instances.
I understand lemmy.world, but I’m curious what makes you say that about the other two? Stricter defederation or something?
dbzer0 is an Anarchist-leaning instance, though it allows others. Sh.itjust.works has ncd and meanwhileongrad, which attracts pro-NATO and anti-Communist individuals, though the lean isn’t as strong as Lemmy.world and dbzer0 and as such there’s more variety there.
Thank you. I forgot about meanwhileongrad. That makes sense.
No problem!
lmfao dbzero terms of service is literally to follow the anarchist COC, hosts Lefty memes, and one of the largest anarchist communities.
World is peak neoliberal, has a stupid media bias bot calibrated for neoliberal positions as centrist, and is explicitly aligned with the USA in law and ethos.
Shitjustworks is similar to world but Canadian.
Life is political and people hosting online communities have ideologies. Shock horror I know. An ideology being invisible to you because you are raised in it does not make it any less explicit.
An ideology being invisible to you because you are raised in it does not make it any less explicit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemonyAnd invisible ideology in the imperial core today is zombie neoliberalism.
Shitjustworks
shitjustworks is actually worse than .world. They are an actually crypto-fascist instance judging by the events the preceded our defederation with them. world is just slightly less fascistic but when it comes down to it liberalism and fascism are careening toward another singularity like what happened with the rise of the third reich in the thirties as liberals predictably treat fascists more favorably than communists.
They are an actually crypto-fascist instance judging by the events the preceded our defederation with them
Crypto-fascists?! The hell did I miss?
brazenly transphobic, anticommunist, and white supremacist tendancies abound on that instance.
Like even moreso than .world
That’s an interesting description of lemmy.ml
I’ll just say that hiding not only the instance, but also any comments from any user registered with that instance has made my Lemmy experience about 1000 times better.
Edit: oh shit I’m thinking lemmyGRAD.ml lol
hahahahahahahahahaaaaa
you’re fucking kidding me
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Yeah when I joined IIRC I just had to write a sentence about why I wanted to join. The communism thing made me laugh though!
The fact that each instance can have its own rules and culture is f a b. I love that’s one of the criteria. Mander.xyz should have a ‘identify all the creatures from the Triassic’ image captcha.
I don’t know how to set up a specific image captcha, but I like that idea! I have added that to the registration form 😛
Welcome to the Fediverse! Somebody has probably told you this, but I just realized that I forgot to hit “Post” before I went to dinner. Here it is anyways.
When I wanted to sign-up it required an application that you needed to fill out with one of the requirements being having to copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism” which I thought was very odd for a site to do. I’ve never seen a site like this promoting some ideology that directly where it’s part of the sign-up process to almost pledge to some political or religious ideology.
The applications and copying of a particular line is a simple form of spam prevention. The fact that the line is from “The Principles of Communism" is probably because the owners of that particular instance (who are also the main developers) are communist. I believe they also run Lemmygrad, which is full on Marxist, and one of the more commonly blocked instances. Lemmy.ml is intended to be a more mainstream instance but like much of the Fedi leans hard left.
I mainly moved here because of the censorship on Reddit where they didn’t publish posts that included the slightest word not allowed by their filter and they removed/blocked lots of content. I wonder if it will be somewhat better here
Lemmy is censorship resistant, but not censorship free. There is a difference. Censorship (or moderation, depending on your view point) happens at 3 levels, user, community, and instance. You can’t do much if other users find you obnoxious and decide to block you, but if you find the moderation of a community to be over bearing and if your current instance allows, you can create your own community from your current instance and mod it how you see fit within the guidelines of your instance. If you find your instance’s moderation to be overbearing, you can create your own instance and moderate it however you see fit. However, you will still be subject to the moderation policies of the communities (and their home instances) that you subscribe to.
In the Fedi you have absolute freedom of speech, but nobody is required to give you a soapbox or megaphone and nobody is required to listen to you.
It’s quite resistant to any single entity’s censorship, but if you share things most server admins consider unacceptable, other servers will block your server.
lemmy.ml… copy a sentence from the link provided which links to some article called “The Principles of Communism”
At least one of the Lemmy developers is a hardcore communist, and some people see lemmy.ml as a little sketchy for that reason. I see you found another server, which is exactly how federation is meant to work. While the overall culture tends to be left-leaning, most server admins are not hardcore communists and don’t censor political positions that aren’t advocating violence or discrimination.
one of the Lemmy developers is a hardcore communist,
To be clear, they roleplay as a “hardcore communist”, whatever that is. Its not any different than how billionaire sycophants with no access to capital make statements like “I’m a capitalist” while working minimum wage jobs.
Having a high-paying software engineering job while enjoying the social safety net that a liberal social-democracy provides, does not one a communist make.
Okay awesome!
theres more than just the lemmy platform to access the fediverse also. i use an mbin-based instance that can access all the same content as lemmy, and then some. https://moist.catsweat.com
There’s plenty of censorship on Lemmy, but unlike Reddit, the censorship is orchestrated by the individual server, not by a corporation in control of the whole ecosystem. Go post something pro-capitalist on lemmy.ml, or something claiming climate change is a hoax on slrpnk.net, or something anti-trans on lemmy.blahaj.zone and see how fast it gets taken down - you could consider that censorship, but the reason Lemmy is better than Reddit in this regard is that you can go post that same thing on another instance, in a community that supports those views, and it’ll stay up. It’s all up to the administration of the individual instance.
Even if you can’t find an instance / community that will espouse your unique views, you can create your own, and post whatever you like, and everyone who federates with you will be able to see it. That’s how Lemmy is resistant to censorship.
I’m not touching the lemmy.ml question with a ten foot pole, someone else can field that one.
I only use lemmy.world and find it more open to free speech than reddit ever was. Reddit has gotten worse over the years. I was never a big reddit user, but just a few weeks ago I was in a non political non controversial group. None of my comments violated the rules. Out of the blue I was banned. I was scratching my head. I was told that the asshole mod of the group went through my post and comment history and found “one” comment unrelated to the group in question that they didn’t like and therefore banned me. The mods and Admins over there are dedicated to the hive mind. I am never going back
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neutral meaning “makes space for fascists and genocidal liberals”
Settlers and nazi bars go hand in hand to my understanding.
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You’re right, that Sunaurus admin guy is pretty cool.
lmao at believing a site is “neutral”. Just because you do not perceive your bias does not mean it is not present
OP was already posting from Lemm.ee
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