Btw, is there a evolutionary cost to creating lactase? Because, why do we stop with it usually and only keep it if it has huge advantages?
I would guess that humans have been around for what, 250k years? And that the vast majority of that didn’t involve a whole lot of milk after age 4.
So it wouldn’t have been to much advantage to be able to metabolize lactose.
No, there is, you get more from your cattle, and on a individual level, less likely to starve.
Keeping Lactase production happened at least twice; north europe and a group in west africa.
Sure, if you a) keep mammals around and b) drink their milk. I’m not convinced domesticated animals have been a thing for all that long, evolutionarily. Long enough for some groups to have adapted, sure. We have adaptations for cooked food, too.
[Searches] Cattle probably around 10k years ago.
Saudi Arabia too. I assume that camel milk came in pretty handy in early tribes surviving the deserts.
Yes. It costs calories and nutrients.
But why then creating lactose in milk at all? Fat alone doesn’t suffice?
It’s easy to break down into glucose, which is important for bodily functions. Gluconeogenesis is a thing, but it is inefficient.
Then you take it black, like my heart.
But black coffee and espresso are two completely different things. Are you suggesting instead they get an Americano?
Filter coffee. Only way to have it.
I’ll go as far as Turkish coffee, but Americano doesn’t taste good at all.
No, you can easily take espresso-based beverages “black”, too. Or rather, you can easily make them not-black by adding milk, which is pretty common for americanos.
Sure, but then you’re taking it in small cup form rather than as a larger volume drink. That still makes them two very different things.
If I want a nice, large margarita, telling me I can have a couple shots of tequila misses the point. Nothing against tequila, but a mixed drink and a shot are different enough that one is not a substitute for another.
Same with espresso. Americano is much closer in form factor to a latte than straight espresso. And more to my post’s point, most times when people say black coffee they mean drip.
Only soy boys say “tummy”.
Or anybody with young children. 😊
Fuck. You got me there.
Fuck.
That’s how I got there too. 😏
Fellas, is it gay to impregnate a woman?
According to Andrew Tate, no. But, for any other reason, yes. 🙄
Average boy who eats soy
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Do you want to hear the story about how I figured out how I had lactose intolerance after eating 3 helpings of an ice cream dessert with extra whipped cream?
I’m in
It involved farting all the way home. Like a puff escaping with every step walking a few blocks home. I was so damn glad to be walking late at night. And I just felt miserable with my bubbly, knotty guts the whole night and the next day.
Seriously, I love ice cream and eat as much as I can get my hands on - but nothing in the world would make we want to go through that again. So happy for lactase tablets and vegan options.
For that I envy you lactose intolerant folk. My celiac’s disease has me violently (and painfully) vomiting if I eat any gluten. 🤮
I was much slower to come to such a conclusion. Mine was yogurt parfait I would eat as a nighttime snack believing I was making a healthy choice. The next day (or sometimes before bed or during the night depending on when I ate it) I would have stomach aches, be gassy and/or bloated and just not my best. It wasn’t till another family member talked about being lactose intolerant and my eating my yogurt snack for say, lunch on my day off, that I put it all together.
It was just weird because it’s really only milk/yogurt/ice cream (cheese is usually fine) that effect me most - and I went like 20+ yrs eating dairy just fine. And yes lactase tablets are amazing.
Going number two afterwards and accidentally launching yourself into orbit?
Been there, done that, would still eat a whole cheesecake in one sitting. Only slight regrets.
Oat milk is superior than any other option for coffee drinks and I will die on this hill
I also enjoy the occasional oatmilk latte but recently was reading something about how oats have all sorts of pesticides that can make their way into the milk
And dairy cows are shot up with antibiotics and hormones. Gotta pick your poison.
yeah thats true, best bet is to research the brands of oatmilk you get to see if they are better or worse
I don’t know if it’s the same outside Europe, but you could get certified organic
Is there an agricultural product that you eat that does not contain pesticides in some quantity?
Probably not but something like oatmilk could be consumed daily which i guess is where the problem comes in
As compared to onions, garlic, potatoes, bread, cereals, or fruit? I’d put adding 4 oz of oatmilk pretty low on our pesticide exposure list.
Shoot, you should look up how American garlic’s been produced for the past few decades. It’s really disturbing and likely introducing pharmaceuticals back into human foods.
So you eat nothing else but animal products daily…? What you read reeks of fear-mongering with a good dose of “don’t think about it” thrown in, which clearly worked on you.
Unfortunately I can’t check that, because oats cause my intestines to go postal
Oof. Sorry to hear
Oat milk is good, but I can’t figure out how to make it foam up really nicely like cow’s milk when making a latte ): that’s about the only time I drink milk nowadays, so the lactaid is right next to the machine.
Get an “extra creamy” oat milk. Some brands even make a barista blend. The extra fat helps to form a fine and stable foam
Saw this yesterday, but I forgot to say thanks for the recommendation!
“Barista” oat milk has been common for like a decade. How have you both never seen it and never found out about it?
I got my espresso machine last week 😅 I spend a good amount of time researching the pros and cons of the machine itself and the details of how to do the whole “make espresso” thing, but I am quite new to all of this.
They recently switched to oat milk in our office and it’s just nasty to me. I tried to like it but no I just can’t do it.
It depends on the brands I guess. but if you drink it like that and with coffee, its not amazing.
But mixed with cereals, cocoa it’s really good.
There a brand in France that makes a vegetal milk with, macadamia, hazelnut, and almond. It’s truly delicious.
I’ve started drinking milk alternative because I would get belly ache when drinking cold milk. And I saw the episode on kurzgesagt about milk. Where they say it’s better for the environment.
In the end I’m still eating regular dary like cheese and yogurt.
I get that, some brands don’t taste good at all. Weirdly enough, I really like the great value stuff. Planet oat or whatever’s decent too
Like… what is this arbitrary ranking you have there that put soy milk below milk?
in one episode of the culture war the right wing focused on soy as leftist and woke and disgusting because it contains phytoestrogens, which are very unhelpfully named and don’t actually function like human estrogen but they love to pretend they do. there’s also vague bigotry because wow soy is sooo different and different is bad. there’s also the fetishization of history and white men’s culture of drinking cow milk, and if you are lactose intolerant they probably also expect you to just deal with the pain and the shits because a real man must always experience pain or whatever.
WTF soy bean is such an important source of protein besides animal products
I don’t understand why people are so surprised right-wingers don’t have rational consistency to their thought processes. Have none of you been paying attention to them for the last 3-5 decades?
Nothing they do is surprising based on their historical words and actions but people still be out there voting Republican (or not voting Democrat in every election) because “they can’t be that bad!”
You’d think their natural human reason would emerge every once in a while, but no, they have developed a memeplex to keep it suppressed. “Hypocrisy is their secret handshake” helps me remember that they practice dishonesty and irrationality diligently.
IMO the real issue with alternative milks is that they’re popular with left-leaning people, because of concerns about the environment or animal welfare. And rightwingers hate everything that might make the world a better place and/or is popular with left-leaning people.
oh wow i totally forgot about anti-cruelty ideas and initiatives, but you’re totally right. i apologize.
Soy aggravates my IBS, and I am forever getting people looking at me funny because avoiding soy has become a right-wing talking point. I hate it so much.
that’s unfortunate
The boomer crusade against alternative milks is one of the weirder forms of toxic masculinity and smacks of subservience to and brainwashing by the milk lobby.
They tried to narrowly define that can be called milk. Thankfully it did not pass.
As a funny aside, this was my autocomplete suggestions when looking up this bill:
I would imagine there is a funny story behind this.
Here in Germany they did succeed with it. Oat milk has to be called something like “Hafer-Drink” (note the anglicism) (literally “oat drink”).
Yeah, but tbh, it kinda makes sense. You can’t print something on the packaging that says something that’s not the case. You can’t call it “oat milk”, because otherwise people should rightfully assume it was milk with some oat in it.
Imagine calling a non dairy liquid “milk” prior to ten years ago, not conceivable
Coconut milk, milk of magnesium, soy milk? Made up woke nonsense
yeah, tbf, “coconut milk” (which i believe to be older name than 20 years, maybe conceived or widespread in the 1960s) is a questionable candidate. What give you can call “coconut milk” milk, but not “soy milk”.
Almond milk dates back to the middle ages
the name, or the product?
‘Made up’?
You mean other names were bequeefed upon us by lord god jesus christ?
Are you stupid or just forgot an ‘/s’?I think your sarcasm detector needs tuning, it was pretty thick especially considering all of those have been around with those names much longer than that
Fair, I retract and apologise.
No, that wouldn’t be “rightful”. It’s common knowledge that soy milk, oat milk, coconut milk and scouring cream (Scheuermilch in German) don’t contain cow milk. And it was never an issue when coconut milk was the only alternative milk-like product that was widely available.
yeah, i see your point. interesting. i never thought of that before
This is why I enjoy it here.
It is milk with some oat in it. The milk part of the oat. That’s exactly what it is.
You mean people might think it’s breast milk with some oat in it.
Rather than legislating plant milk, I suggest we legislate breast milk so that it legally has to have the word breast on the packaging.
Labelling it titty milk will only make me drink more of it
Historically, milk has been used to refer to any liquid with a milky white color. This can be crushed up plants or other things. Milk of magnesia, for example. It is a very old use of the term and changing it to only refer to milk from an animal is more inacurate than letting it refer to these substances. Don’t let the milk industry BS lead you to a false conclusion. Question what you’re told.
Animal milk can call itself dairy if it wants to be specific. That’s the word for animal milk only.
Ok i see, yeah, now that you mention it, we have “Löwenzahnmilch” (dandelion milk) in german, which refers to this:
But also, “dairy” doesn’t work so well in other languages. I can’t think of a german translation.
Here is your solution.
Fair enough about the German thing. I was specifically speaking about English, since it was about the US Congress trying to regulate the word. There may be a better argument for German, but it sounds like it’s the same issue. From a quick search online, tierische Milch seems like the choice.
Duckduckgo made up a little song about milk and I’m glad you were there to witness it
the Dairy industry lobby is powerful.
So many things boomers consider normal is just brainwashing from some lobby or other
All the Amish influence.
A sad reminder that Aubrey Plaza did a Real Milk campaign.
I mostly agree with you, but it’s not great to generalise about an entire generation some negative aspect of people that applies to many people, regardless of age.
I’m allergic to milk. Trying to explain that to people sometimes goes like this:
“I’m allergic to milk.”
“You mean you’re lactose intolerant?”
“No, I’m allergic to milk. I can digest it just fine.”
“What do you mean?”
“Milk. I’m allergic to it.”
“What happens when you drink it?”
“My throat starts to swell up and get itchy. It’s hard to breathe for a while.”
“OOOOOH. You’re allergic to milk.”
“Yeah.”
An acquaintance of mine will literally die from anaphylactic shock if he ingests anything with even traces if milk…think severe peanut allergy, but for milk. It’s not the lactose, it’s some protein in it or something, and fucking everything contains traces of milk.
God damn, pour one out for your friend, that’s an incredibly rough allergy. Hopefully they have some reliably milk-free food sources.
EDIT: specifically pour out the glass of milk for your friend they might accidently drink it.
Hey! Me too.
Cows milk only. I can enjoy goat and sheep.
You leave those Goats and Sheep alone!
I can enjoy goat and sheep.
Like… blended up?
Also that, yes.
No, biblically.
Ketchup or mustard?
Me too! Last time I had a reaction the hives lasted for 8 hours.
Real milk is also the product of vast, unsustainable torture complexes.
for real though, drinking milk is gross. where do you draw the line? what other bodily fluids are you guzzling at home?
Live and let live.
Real milk contains mammal estrogen instead of just the plant kind.
I learned that we should not tolerate intolerance!
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