Inaction is also an action that may determine whose fault it is.
You expect me to believe trump can throw a punch?
Yeah it should have been trump hitting the guy with a golf club
I knew that Don Orange likes top.
He clearly bottoms for dictators, though
He’s at his bottomest bottom when daddy vladdy is around.
partially, yes. sleepy Joe refused to pressure Republicans and the justice department to press charges against a know Russian asset and block them from the White House.
so yes…but no…but also yes.
Actually no, no, and also no
It was the fault of the butterfly who flapped its wings.
The name of the butterfly?
Spoiler
Obama
It isn’t as though Trump wasn’t committing crimes between 2009 and 2017. My man straight up confessed to sexual assault on camera, ffs. Nevermind the E. Jean Carroll civil case.
If you’re really a Lock Him Up democrat, you could easily argue Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch both dropped the ball.
Obama was great. he actually did shit and got shit done.
had we had him over Biden, I guarantee we wouldn’t be going through this shit.
know why? because he’s not 82 fucking years old.
Are you forgetting that the American voters voted Trump back in again?
It is those sleepy voter’s fault.
The courts also followed the ‘let the voters decide’ bullshit even when the judge wasn’t nominated by a Republican because they didn’t want to seem impartial by letting a criminal actually get prosecuted if he was on a ballot they forced states to keep him on.
The voters (who were allowed to vote) was the icing on top, sure. But after staging an insurrection Trump shouldn’t have been eligible for office in the first place.
Democracy is still democracy when your team doesn’t win.
A stacked deck is still cheating.
Where are the court cases?
I hate how some democrats saw the republicans’ denial of Biden’s win and want to emulate it.
Jesus christ you are a fucking idiot. Do you not remember the courts forcing Colorado to keep him on the ticket?
Republicans have been accusing Dems of doing the things the Republicsns were acfively doing so morons kike you would fall for false equivalence like this. They accused Dems of having secret sex dungeons while putting a rapist on the supreme court. They accused Dems of voter fraud while they were the ones getting caught committing voter fraud. They accused Dems of stealing an election while they tried to have fake electors and an angry mob try to stop the vote certification. Republicans staged a fucking coup and failed, but they pulled it off this time doing more of the same shit they did last time while the courts gave them a free pass.
Dems aren’t emulating shit when it comes to election fraud. Republicans are on their own there.
I hope you mean like there.
hold up, musk stole the election for Trump. I thought we all agreed that is what really happened.
I don’t disagree though, those that even supported Trump are the problem.
but the comic was pointed at Biden, which I partially agree with.
Democrats completely dropped the ball. not once. not twice. but for over a decade, every turn they took was steeped in corruption and backroom deals just to stay in power so they could keep making money.
so yeah, I’ll stand by what I said. Fuck Joe Biden and fuck anyone who thinks he doesn’t have any blame in this shitty place we find ourselves in. fuck Donald Trump. fuck magastani terrorists.
Musk didn’t steal the election for Trump, the voters voted him in.
That’s an article not a court case.
aaaaaaand blocked.
That’s a shame I was enjoying our conversation.
The comic says it is ALL Biden’s fault, not that he is partially at fault.
The comic also blames Biden for what Trump is actively doing in the comic.
I saw something very different in the comic - a red hat blaming Biden for all Trump’s ills, as they like to do.
I’m surprised you got that far in the comic since you failed to read what I said.
so yes…but no…but also yes.
You are the one wearing the hat in this meme.
but I’m not.
Joe Biden failed to protect us from Trump by failing to pressure the DOJ to speed it up.
Joe was a good president, who did good things-- but his legacy is forever tainted by his administrations failure to act.
Joe, his administration, and the Democratic party failed Americans.
Also the courts that delayed cases, or handed out zero penalties. Also the courts that forced states to keep Trump on the ballot. Also the courts that let Republican gerrymandering stay because there wasn’t enough time. Also the judges that didn’t take the violation of purging voter rolls too close to elections. Also the voters who did vote for Trump.
But let’s blame everything on one person like in the meme. Just the one person didn’t do enough, all on him. Nobody else, it is ALL Biden’s fault.
yes.
do you know why?
because that’s what happens when you’re a fucking leader.
as a leader when you fuck up, they suffer. as a leader when they suffer, you suffer. as a leader you do everything within your power to give them a chance.
Joe did none of those. he ran. he ran away, pardoned his friends and family. he left us to suffer here in Magastan.
and for that, fuck Joe Biden. Fuck democrats. I’m done with all of them. know why? because I’ll never get a chance to vote in another presidential election again.
Gonna go suck off some Republicans then? Have fun.
fuck republicans.
what is it with you people. is this some kind of bait so we get all worked up in a frenzy while your god emperor strokes his limp sad penis in front of the world?
it’s doing the opposite. if anything it’s feeding my resolve.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
No primaries cause of Joe.
The primaries happened my dude. He won them
Did they? When did everyone vote for Biden? I missed it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Now, will you repeat the disinformation?
Everyone loved that Biden guy! 87% that is almost as much as Putin got last time around! Must have been an open and fair process!
It is extremely funny to see Lemmy Liberals insist the 2024 Dem Primary was anything resembling democratic.
These are the people convinced we’re not going to have elections in 2026. How would they even notice?
In party internal elections, getting less than 70% is an embarrassment. Everywhere. Comparing them with general elections is certainly something.
So they DID happen!
You conveniently left out the “Opinion polls” from the first image there. Surely you don’t have some sort of narrative you’re trying to push by manipulating information then relating it to Putin’s dictatorship… Nah. Definitely not.
Also took incredible unpopular positions and refused to step down for a primary. Fuck Joe Biden.
Yes, in the sense that he should have bought a shotgun, named it “Official Acts,” and executed half the Supreme Court, most of the Republican Congress critters, and a good chunk of the Democrats.
He was never the person to realize or be capable of that though.
The Democrats are a cesspool themselves, but at least they don’t flaunt screwing you over.
Tell that to the kids who visited Pelosi at her office
Biden is not responsible for what Trump is doing. He is responsible for letting it happen. He failed to fight maga during the 4 years he had all the powers to do it.
To be accurate, it is not a fault, it is a failure. His responsibility is on this failure, not n’y thing else.
Is Biden also to blame for Trump’s first 4 years? It’s the people’s fault! It’s your damn fault too! The world is still waiting for riots and precautions of election manipulation etc. But nothing comes from you. Just peaceful protests while trump pisses in your faces.
No hut the DNC definitely is for sabotaging sanders and his supporters to ensure the neo liberal class dictatorship could continue and prevent any platform movement to the left that might vaguely resemble a new FDR presidency
And you are sabotaging yourself by letting a whole different party create a set of bigger problems because you’re focused on things that don’t matter right now.
Neo liberals are sabotaging themselves and everyone else by blaming voters for not getting behind tepid astro turfed right leaning centrist corporatism.
You all need to wake up and realize our presidential elections are likely just as compromised by money as the rest of our political system. There are 14 traits of fascism and both parties blatantly exhibit 13 of those traits with fraudulent elections being the only trait they can claim the corruption of is plausible deniable. All you thinking that the ideals of democracy haven’t been corrupted to the same point everything else has because of hurrrr durrrr democracy and “murican eyedeeeuhhhlissum” are living in an idealistic delusion. The system has proven it will not be remedied through its own mechanisms and that those with power have subverted those very mechanisms to prevent any meaningful change which means the only way forward is revolution.
Neo liberal western democracy vehemently opposes economic democracy and any movement to the left. This makes it completely undemocratic and an ultimate defacto class dictatorship. But cleverly disguised pr masquerading as unbiased journalism owned by wall street military and prison industry profiteering billionaires have convinced you the house isn’t actively burning when it obviously is.
Why do you keep perpetuating this lie. They did not sabotage him; he is/was unpopular. Get over it.
I’m not a US citizen, so no, I’m not to blame. And if you ask me I’m happy for the downfall of the USA. But I’m sad for the victims that will happen because of fascism. And I’m sad that liberals would still rather blame leftists than admit their own failures.
Then determine from another democratic country what might undergo a change. But to rejoice that states are breaking up, which automatically means agony and suffering, is inhumane to the maximum. I don’t like some countries either, but I would rather see them change through a change of government instead of them falling apart and the population suffering endlessly.
I don’t want to say that you wish people suffering… I am of course assuming that you mean the respective politics, only the population is the country and the politicians are only the representatives of the people.
Your country and its people have been inhumane for 80 years. You have no lesson to give to anyone. And you have only you to blame for your current misery.
Don’t worry, the US will share some its misery with the world in the form of global warming and wars.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this. Biden didn’t open the door for Trump, but he did stand aside. Bernie would have shredded Trump … but you know, apparently primaries are the devil.
There is something there, but I don’t know about Biden being the main focus. It feels like a little mini civil war where after the US Civil War for a very brief moment we had African American politicians, leaders, businesses, and equality seemed at least possible. Then you have the KKK and white supremacy pop up and it’s all gone. We had a brief run with what felt like some equality or equitable society, and then a big white supremacist movement came up and they are moving hell and earth to drag us back to the 1770s
Are police also “responsible” for “letting crime happen”? I don’t understand the reasoning here.
How would you consider a policeman watching a crime happen and do absolutely nothing about it?
Very bad, very very bad.
But I’d still hold the trial for the person who committed the crime itself before charging the police officer. But there’s also a third party here, which is the people. The people said, while the policeman was supposedly idly watching, that “yes, this criminal can [be president and] do whatever he wants”. 😐
No one is holding a trial here. The metaphor cannot be milked forever. 8t was a bad metaphor to begin with. So stop with it.
See how long you last as police chief if you choose to not suppress crime.
So yeah, police are explicitly responsible for minimising crime, that’s literally their job.
I admit there’s some nuance there since police aren’t expected to actually prevent all crime. In this metaphor I guess the question is whether Trump is a bog standard criminal that maybe gets around the police but is kept mostly in check, or if he’s a special level of super-criminal that police chief Biden should have his career judged against.
The thing is, the people chose to have crime. They were presented with a criminal, and chose him. And I’m not even following the metaphor anymore either; he’s literally a criminal. The police can’t fight crime if the majority of people want crime.
True, I guess we need a Batman to handle this Joker, the “police” have been overwhelmed
😄 Exactly
“n’y thing”? What the fuck?
Damn… I’m going to keep “not a fault, it’s a failure” in my back pocket. I’ve never heard it put that way when discussing a screw up that wasn’t really someone’s fault (in this case Biden, but could be Dems or even situations not politics related)
I feel being critical without blaming unfairly is a huge part of my personality, and so this type of convo actually comes up kinda frequently in my life, since so many people struggle to see gray areas between right and wrong, at fault and not at fault.
But what you said is a perfect way to better ensure that the meaning doesn’t get lost to blaming, after which the conversation is usually a lost cause.
the powers trump is using now is not actual presidential powers and I would not see it used by their guys or ours. congress is the one who could have stopped this. mainly back when trump was in office and going through with the impeachment.
I mean, over half a century of neolibs gutting the small semblance of social democracy we had did this. And Biden was certainly one of those people. It’d just be more accurate to say Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush again, Regan…
Now did you mean for all those words to come out of your mouth in that order, or are you just as surprised and confused as the rest of us?
Oh I must have been confused. I forgot that history doesn’t exist. Everything started with whatever was last on TV. Donald Trump is just randomly the president for no reason. There must not be any reason he has the power to do the things he’s doing. Nope. It’s a mystery. Carry on.
Oh I must have been confused.
It shows.
I forgot that history doesn’t exist.
It’s apparent.
Donald Trump is just randomly the president for no reason.
Being a Russian asset (sock puppet or fanboy… you can pick) … helps considerably.
There must not be any reason he has the power to do the things he’s doing. Nope. It’s a mystery. Carry on.
Legally speaking he doesn’t have the power to do a great deal of what he and his fascist
buyersfriends are doing.Legally the president doesn’t have the power to unilaterally go to war, but that hasn’t stopped them from doing it for the last 70+ years.
Basically ever modern president has grabbed more power for the executive branch without being properly checked by congress or the courts. Combine that with an ever expanding military and surveillance apparatus and it turns out you can do some pretty bad stuff, regardless of the legality.
As for the rest of it, idk man. Clearly you have your rosy view of history where the US was a super great place before the scary Russians came in to corrupt democracy. All I can say is you have more reading to do.
Let’s not mince words here and throw about whataboutisms. We can deal with your hand waving in a second:
Clearly you have your rosy view of history…
I know my history and have no illusions of what this country has done in the past- eugenics, experimentation on its own citizens, interfering with other countries… it’s a list. Surely. But because I know my history I can safely say that it is unprecedented what is being done today.
Only either the truly ignorant or malicious could look at what is occurring and attribute it to standard politics. Let’s be real: we’ve been observing the systematic isolation of the United States from its allies, the undermining of its protections, and attempts to dismantle or weaken it’s defenses… And that’s before we start to look at some of the other heinous shit that is going on.
The scary russians
Let’s not pretend like Russia hasn’t time and again been the aggressor and frequently is willing to cross lines (and borders) to enact it’s will. You might argue the US has some similarities in that… and you’d be right- however; it is a feature of our system that has allowed us to retain some semblance of humanity and good will - despite the rot. I think I speak for most Americans when I say we’d rather not tread further into the realm of dictators and fascists.
Your rhetoric is in line with what is frequently parroted by the willfully ignorant in echo chambers… So which is it: are you seeding the disinformation or a product of it?
It’s not about this being the same. It’s about what has contributed to allow this moment. Regular failures of institutions and vast wealth inequality that has been left undressed by the political system has made for a lot of angry people. Concentration of ownership in media has guided that frustration away from its true causes for the benefit of the rich and powerful. The electoral system is set up to favor conservative results and to squarely shut out left leaning candidates. The various expansions of presidential power and the tools needed to exercise that power has made it easier for someone like Trump to get away with things he theoretically shouldn’t. The courts being slowly corrupted. Etc.
What Russia is doing is besides the point. The US has plenty of it’s own oligarchs to mess with our elections already and we’re definitely messing around in other countries. If they weren’t touching anything, do you think we’d suddenly get some great elections that represent the people?
however; it is a feature of our system that has allowed us to retain some semblance of humanity and good will - despite the rot.
What is a feature of our system? You didn’t specify. As to us maintaining our humanity: We do terrible things regularly, but most people are so disconnected from those actions that they can’t really conceptualize the horror of it enough to care and do something about it. There’s always some excuse that helps them rationalize it. I don’t think most people WANT all the bad stuff. But in the absence of better education and media, it’s really easy to trick people into thinking all of this is actually good or at least not bad enough to do something about it.
… has made it easier for someone like Trump to get away with things he theoretically shouldn’t. The courts being slowly corrupted. Etc.
Trump, may I remind you, installed a number of those judges. Now the list you provided is lengthy and generally most of the talking points brought up when speaking about capitalism corrupting the system. They exist. Those things have nothing to do with the subject at hand however. Let’s keep it in between the lines.
What Russia is doing is besides the point. The US has plenty of it’s own oligarchs to mess with our elections already…
So you believe they should be allowed to install a sock puppet? I believe that was what we were talking about about, was it not?
What is a feature of our system? You didn’t specify.
Sorry I figured someone familiar with our system could interpret that as checks and balances. Something trump is currently trying to break. In what language should I provide your native translation?
There is simply no comedic value in this comic strip.
its an art form, its call a comic strip but it dont need to be humorous. think about the unexpected masterpiece loss
Conservatives are happy with what Trump’s doing.
A lot of them aren’t. And when more of them are negatively affected then they won’t be either
But they will still vote Republican because nothing the Republicans have done over the last 45 years to ruin their lives has swayed them yet.
Maybe that’s just how badly they want to own the libs
I mean that’s true with any large group, yeah? Doesn’t change the fact that he’s doing what they voted for him to do.
Not true. He said he would reduce corruption and lower food prices. Many MAGA voters somehow believed this.
They believe he’ll still do it. Did you think he was supposed to just pray for it or send the military to Kraft?
He’s firing people daily. If he ramps oil production he’ll be fulfilling promises to these people. The media will keep reporting on it like firing people is bad and the conservatives will read it and smile.
I don’t think you guys understand how they think at all. You’ve classed them as non human and think any compassion is weakness. Don’t ruin yourself to hate on maga fucks.
I mean they’re happy because right now it’s just “owning the libs”. When their social security checks don’t show up or their Medicaid gets denied I like to think they’ll learn. But the Republicans are already trying to line that up to be “corruption and immigrants”. I also like to think that the Republicans will lose some of their propaganda power the longer they are in office. You can only hit the “blame DEI” button so many times before it doesn’t work anymore.
A lot of them are beyond help. Brains too melted. But there are some people who might not have turned out to vote, due to apathy, or getting hung up on specific issues they were unhappy with Biden about, who are now realizing their mistake. I wish these people had been paying attention, and voted more proactively rather than reactively. Everything he’s doing now was warned about.
But there are some people who might not have turned out to vote, due to apathy, or getting hung up on specific issues they were unhappy with Biden about, who are now realizing their mistake.
And if democrats had pursued them with a tenth of the fervor with which they pursued republicans who were never going to vote for them, we wouldn’t have trump now.
Bush v Gore was my first election I was eligible to vote. Aligning with a fucking Cheney might at well have been performing satanic rituals on stage. Let’s find the biggest fucking ghouls imaginable. That’ll help
They are, until it happens to effect them directly.
“He was supposed to get rid of all the slackers and cut off people abusing the system, not fire my entire department!”
“He was supposed to put in tariffs to make China pay more, not to make the price of our goods go up!”
Classic leopards eating peoples faces party behaviour.
You’re expecting more disastrous consequences than they are. Time will tell, but I think they’ll find the tariff costs worth it for added manufacturing investment.
There’s a lot of “trust the process “ going on from that side atm
When someone robs your house, you blame the robbers. When the police refuse to do anything about it and you get robbed again by the same person 4 years later, you blame the police.
I blame the robbers for robbing my house and the police for not doing their jobs. I don’t blame the police for robbing my house.
Yeah that’s the point
That’s not how you phrased it, though.
If that was the point, then simply adding “as well” or “too” at the end makes that clear. Without it, it frames it as if the blame is being shifted instead.
When someone robs your house, you blame the robbers. When the police refuse to do anything about it and you get robbed again by the same person 4 years later, you blame the police, too.
I think most people reading it understood that was their point though.
Maybe. Maybe not. Because it’s not explicit, then you’re expecting people to fill in the blank. I’d say there’s more of an argument that most people did not make that assumption.
Nice, but the orange asshole is not fat enough.
well he did not prevent this from happening in a number of preventable ways.
Well, why didn’t Batman just kill the Joker? He’s had plenty of opportunities…
Batman can’t kill The Joker because, if he does, the writers can’t bring The Joker back in the next issue for Batman to defeat again.
Presumably, Biden couldn’t prosecute Trump for the same reasons. Dems ran the same Pied Piper Strategy that worked so well in 2016, secure in their ability to defeat someone as easy and vulnerable as The Donald.
Gotta give the people what they want. And what they want is another election with Donald Trump at the top of the ticket.
fuckkk it just like in my comics!!!
I agree. he gave him plenty of opportunities but IMHO what we consider justice doesn’t seem to apply to the ultra violent, rich or eccentric.
the end game successes of capitalism are not compatible with democracy.
Probably owns a portion of Arkham and gets tax payer dividends for each person he sends there.
Because he’s motherfucking fictional. Donald Trump is a real life comic book villain, and he’s also not even 1/100th as smart as the Joker.
Man, how much of a wuss would you have to be to get beat up by Donald Trump?
looks like it happened
He must be a pretty big wuss.
That’s possibly the nicest thing you could call him.
Not a wuss just “conservative”…
Just “conservative” enough for this…
