Lol this reads like a Joe cappa short
It’s only legal to make an attack dog if the cops own the dog.
I hope I’m understanding your angle of approach on this.
Crowd control dogs are highly trained and don’t go out on a rampage unless commanded to. It’s their handler that triggers the response. Otherwise, the dogs do not exhibit arbitrary aggression behaviour. Even military trained dogs must not demonstrate aggressive tendencies; if so, they would be a danger for their handlers and other allies. The attack behaviour is developed and triggered under specific conditions and commands.
You can train a dog in the same manner. Dog trainning is an open knowledge base and I personally think everyone should work with their dogs in order to give them the best outcome possible for their lives. It’s the closest symbiotic relation our species has with another, in my understanding. And it’s fun.
From this point forward, I’m going to talk from personal experience.
I was lucky enough to have the perfect dog in a very bad point of my life. That dog forced me out of my house, to go on long walks and think on something other than my misery. I never taught a single thing to him beyond sitting and laying down on request. I never taught him to wait for me, keep an eye out when I was foraging for something or being protective of my family.
This was dog that, still not fully grown, took on two other, bigger than him, to protect my infant child, out of his own vollition. And that when called by name returned. This would be the same dog, that years later, would stare down another> , known for being unreliable around children, into submission, a dog the person responsible for feared and kept chained. I had a lord by my side and I was lucky for it.
When that dog died in my arms, of old age, I lost a brother and a son. I’m crying as I write these words.
Today I have two dogs of the same breed but I have severely failed them, by allowing another person to force me to take them to under the wrong conditions: separatly and too early. This created a vicious beggining for their lives, making them fearful and wary of everyone, which made them prone to be aggressive out of fear and aggressive towards each other. Things have been better with some measures but I feel as I failed them.
Most dogs show aggressive behaviour out of improper care, be it by negligence or abuse.
I’ve been studying and working, actively, to be a dog trainer. I have scars, from my own dogs, for mistakes I’ve done. I hold no anger against them. It was my mistakes that made them react to the world as they do today. I’ve helped other people not make the same mistakes with their dogs; it’s my small contribution for a better world, I hope.
I’ve only met two dogs beyond any reach. One diminished from birth causes, making the dog effectively uncapable of acquiring any modulation to his behaviour; besides eating, nothing mattered and he would attack anything he viewed as potentially edible and attack to keep others from food, even after being fed to satisfaction. The other had been severely abused, being given alcohol as a pup, which stunted his development, both physical and mental. The dog would attack out of nothing, anything, and would not calm down until passing out of exhaustion. I believe he suffered from allucinations. Both had to be put to rest, as their lives would never be happy.
So, you can have a dog prepared to defend you. You just need to prove you can take care of the dog properly.
That’s a very touching story, and something tells me you had German Shepherd dogs. I agree they can be some of the most loving and loyal companions, but you should know their breed has a huge variety of personality traits, and some of them are just naturally skittish, aggressive, or untrainable. If they were abused, it’s basically impossible to undo that trauma. I’ve had a lot of experience working with many breeds, and you shouldn’t blame yourself for their problems.
Azores Cattle Dogs
The girls I currently care for were taken, one too early from her mother, at six weeks old, and because I was to overprotective of her, as there was a declaration of an infecto-contagious disease, fatal for puppies, and for which she could not be vaccinated before being six months old, in the least, she lost that very important early socialization window and became a very stressed and fearful dog. Even today, some gestures like rubbing her belly can trigger a growling reaction. She is lovely, otherwise and will bark and lunge but will gladly run off at first chance.
The other one, was the last one leaving her mother, at 12 weeks, but she was very underweight and skittish when coming home. Even today she stresses over food very easily. I risk she was poorly fed and had to fight for every piece she managed to get. She is very territorial and often is the first aggressor when they fight as she does not trust her sister around the family when she starts barking or fretting over anything.
Things have been easier later, as we introduced somw grounds rules to the family, especially my kids, that easily get into panic mode and start screaming for anything, which is a very clear trigger for them. If the kids are scared, there is a potential danger. When they don’t find it, they turn on each other and these are vicious dogs when engaged in a fight.
My male would enter a full kill-or-be-killed attitude when any threat presented itself. I never had any problems with him because we worked very well as a unit and I was always ready to take the first step to send away another dog before things got out of control. But this breed has gladiator spirit: outnumbered, out muscled, they fight to the death, if need be.
Don’t know much about this, but some experts have this to say on Pitbulls: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/pets/are-pit-bulls-dangerous-experts-set-the-record-straight-on-these-lovable-dogs/ar-AA1nG7F5
Out of curiosity, I tried looking up info on the attack/fatality rate of pitbulls outside of the USA (assuming Pitbulls are dangerous because the culture of the USA views them as such and this they are raised to be) but couldn’t find much.
The only one I found quickly was that they gave a high incidence of attacks in Japan as well, but the owners tend to be Yakuza or other gang members, so yeaaahhh…
I recently watched an older Video by José on the matter. He goes into quite some detail in regards to the gene vs. holder aspect of it.
I have had pitties for years
Left to their own devices pitties are harmless. In a loving and caring home, they are some of the most supporting docile animals I’ve ever been around. Even rescue pitties who have had horrible lives usually end up as proper babysitters without any substantial correction.
That said, a 50lb PB can hold on to a rope, be lifted off the ground and swung in circles without even breaking a sweat. Bite strength and passive muscle structure on those dogs are AMAZING. So if someone does make a PB decide they need to eat someone, they’re dangerous AF. But you really have to work hard to make them that way.
Shitty people raise shitty dogs. Other shitty people see this and want a dog that “looks badass” and proceed to raise more shitty dogs. Of course, nobody will step forward and tell you that they raised a shitty dog, so you really can’t properly study this in a large group experiment.
People calling for the culling of all put bulls would be hypocritical if they don’t also call for the culling of all German Shepherds. It’s a difference in attack rare of 21% for pit bulls and 18% for German shepherds so pretty close in “danger” (https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/dog-attack-statistics-breed/)
I doubt they would though as I believe most just have a bias against pitties.
German shepherds shouldn’t be bred at all. They have genetic defects that make them suspect to certain illnesses, such as hip defects. Don’t buy them. They will suffer and you will have an expensive vet bill.
Same exact thing can be said for golden retrievers and labradors. Honestly, most bred for purpose/ pure bred dogs.
Generations of inbreeding will do that to most mammals.
One of the healthiest dogs you can own is a mutt—ancillary (and anecdotal), but I found my cat in a dumpster as a kitten. She’ll be 10 in April and is still as feisty as when I found her.
It’s kinda shocking to see pictures of pre-1980 German Shepards next to modern ones. What the hell happened to their hips?
Humans happened. Show dogs, bred in certain characteristics that we thought made the breed.
There’s a great documentary from many years ago on how messed up show dogs are.
Legal measures against pitbulls often are rooted in redline type bills to continue to create laws that punish particular races or ethnicities.
Pit Bulls were and are often used for underground dog fights, and thus became associated with gangs and inner-city crime. That’s a ridiculously small portion of pit bull owners, but laws about pit bulls give one more tool for cops to over-police black and hispanic neighborhoods in particular.
I don’t really have an opinion on pit bulls, I’ve owned dogs, wolves and many animals and I do believe different breeds have different personalities and genetic influences, it would be ridiculous to deny it because WE MADE THEM THIS WAY, so yes, pitties and german shepherds and many others can easily be raised wrong and come out dangerous compared to say, golden retrievers or other “gentle” breeds that are going to be a lot more passive even when raised wrong. These are preconditions, they are influences. But the problem is with lack of education about how to raise animals, puppy mills and overbreeding, poor training, and the handful of irresponsible and abusive owners who fuck up everything for the rest of us.
I hate it here.
As someone whos dog got killed by a pitbull and i got injured trying to save her a very pleasant you can suck my big sweaty cock to all pitbull owners. Without a license and training you shouldnt be able to own a dog that is meant for killing. Ever since that every time i see a big dog the first thing i think of is if it attacks me how can i kill that fucker. So yeah i dont give a fuck and even before that happened i supported the ban of those dogs because multiple times ive heard from distant family and friends horror stories about attacks. I know a girl who was 8 when she was attacked and she needed plastic surgery all over her thigh and face after an attack and my sister and mom(whos thankfully a doctor so she could help before the ambulance arrived) were there to witness it. I dont think you wanting to own a big dog is a reason to endager others health and lives. Anyone supporting the right to own one of those killing machines is off the rails. They are literally bread to kill.
People anthropomorphize dogs too much. If anyone has seen a working dog do their job as a puppy with 0 training they might reconsider the dogs that were bred to fight.
My dog was also attacked by a pitbull at a dog park. My dog would have died if the pitbull bit just a little bit further in, its jaws were clamped onto my dogs neck skin. It took two full grown men and me gouging its eyes for about 2 minutes before it would release. My dog’s transgression to provoke the other dog? Smelling its butt one time.
Mine didnt even go close to it. The other dog wasnt on a leash properly and it escaped and in a mstter of seconds a nice little walk in the park with my mom turned into me(95kg and work out 5 times a week) trying to get the dog off ours. I was soaked in blood that i didnt even know where it came from because my hands and arms were bleeding but my dog was also bleeding because the fucker broke her thigh bone and ripped a bunch of veins. Which dog did they put down? Of course mine because they said the surgery would be risky so its much better for her to just go. Do think me and my mom have no trauma after that? Also we asked the other woman walking the dog to give her number and she gave us a fake one and we never found her even tho we lived in a small town so we can live the really nice bit of knowledge that that disgrace of an animal is still living in this world and can attack another dog or even person any time because the owner could be distracted.
I know a woman (60+) who has a lifelong fear of dogs from being attacked and scarred as a child by one of these. Furthermore as a cat enjoyer, I posit that all dogs can kill my little buddies and even though we’ve coexisted as species for half a million years (didn’t look it up) I think it’s time for a doggy genocide too, I’m with you! In fact most animals are dangerous, racoons often carry rabies and can kill people becauase of that. And now that I’m thinking about it people kill each other more frequently than any of the above, I think the only responsible thing to do really is to extinguish all life on the planet, that way nothing can be dangerous anymore!
It’s not like a small cannister of OC spray is enough to deter even a hungry violent stray or anything, much better to genocide entire species off the face of the earth.
You know that there are breeds specifically bred to kill? Is that natural? You also know that owning a dog is not natural then and then nobody should own them? Also when it comes to animals in nature youre the one who choses where you live. If you dont like em you can move to a city. Thats why i think its stupid when they kill wild animals in their natural habitat to make places safer. But when a person owns a fucking dog meant to kill thats a tad bit different eouldnt you agree? And i didnt say we should kill them, you should need a permit and proper training to own one of them. Well, good luck to you picking berries and hunting animals with spears because thats what we did half a million years ago(didnt look it up).
Its not like properly having your dog on a leash would prevent it from killing another dog and almost biting my hand off.
The Venn diagram of people who own pit bulls and people that own lifted trucks that they can’t drive is almost a circle.
No it isn’t
Those of us who have adopted and loved pitbulls for their entire doggie lives know that pitties aren’t inherently violent. People who have been victimized as a result of people’s mistreatment of these very powerful dogs don’t know that.
Liberal Portland, Oregon is filled with pitbulls, but it is not filled with lifted trucks. The city is just aware of how great they can be when you don’t abuse them into being bad citizens.
My pit died last year at old age from cancer. He was a sweetie who never did anything violent. We have a puppy now (corgi mix, hilarious clown of a dog), but I still miss my lunkhead every day. There’s something different about them and the way they need to cuddle at every moment of the day.
I was raised with a pitbull and I have been around a lot in my life. I will have to respectfully disagree with you. They are inherently unpredictable. I know of at least twelve people with facial scars from pitbulls. You really cannot compare them with any other breed.
Having said that our pitbull was an amazing dog any never hurt another human or animal except for other dogs. For whatever reason our much loved family members would snap around other dogs for no definable reason regardless of being socialized with other dogs frequently.
I remember we got a litter of kittens and our pitbull took care of them like it was their own. One kitten would climb up on their head and our pitbull would hold perfectly still while the kitten slept on its head.
I think its a pretty vicious cycle.
- Assholes think big dog is cool.
- Assholes raise asshole dog.
- Dog becomes known as dangerous and even more popular with assholes while people who would make good owners now steer clear.
- Repeat.
As a gun owner the idea that people are ok with pitbulls but have a problem with me pisses me off. For anything bad to happen with a gun requires human agency. I actually have the capacity to know I’m not going to harm an innocent person today. But a pitbull, their owners are openly playing a lottery. Every time you walk out side with it its like me muzzle sweeping everyone in my community with my finger on a trigger saying “I’ve done it lots of times and nothing bad has happened. It didn’t hurt you this time so mind your own business. My choices don’t effect you. It’s not my fault if your kids are scared of me pointing my gun around. My kids aren’t going to get hurt in my home if I practice poor gun safety. See, they love playing with it. That’s proof it’s kid friendly”
As dangerous as a gun and with less certain human control over it is not acceptable. I’ll straight up say it. I feel as uncomfortable around a pitbull owner as someone mishandling a gun. And in the gun world if someone is willfully and blazenly mishandling a firearm to the point of endangering people you have a license to shoot them if they aren’t responsive to someone telling them to stop (non-lethally ideally). If someone acted that irresponsibly with a gun you’d shoot them.
And in the gun world if someone is willfully and blazenly mishandling a firearm to the point of endangering people you have a license to shoot them if they aren’t responsive to someone telling them to stop (non-lethally ideally).
Dude, nuh uh. You’re gonna go to prison for this shit one day, have fun in court!
Btw, https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/are-pitbulls-dangerous/
It’s a fact: any dog can become unpredictable depending on unique circumstances, and ‘some’ dogs inflict serious and even deadly damage. One camp would like to see pit bull breeds euthanized and illegal to own. Others, including experts, suggest that pit bulls are no more or no less unpredictable. (Than other dogs).
Second side note, tip from ex-pizza guy, carry mace. It’s 2x important for you as a gun owner as an intermediary between words and bullets for nondeadly threats, unless you like entangled fights for the gun to see who shoots who first, but also it works wonders against dogs. There, now that you’re protected genocide becomes unnecessary and you don’t have to go door to door shooting dogs in the street in front of children who love them and stuff.
While im against guns, pitbulls are literally probably more dangerous than guns when “used accidentally”. Its no mistake that both my dog and the kid that got attacked got bit on the face and thigh as pitbulls always go for the kill. If you accidentally discharge a gun it has a chance of hitting a vital point and a chance of missing and a chance of hitting a less vital point of your body. If youre alone and an average person a pitbulls gonna kill you. If your alone with a gun it doesnt do anything.
With about one fatal dog attack each year, I highly doubt your claim.
Uh yeah, you’re off by a factor of about 50-fold.
This is just fatalities and not counting permanently disfiguring injuries of which there are a ton more. Pitbulls account for the vast majority of these serious injuries and fatalities despite being only 6% of the dog population.
The white trash potato caricature is hilarious. Pit bulls are a dangerous breed. They were selectively bred by humans for their aggression, unpredictability, jaw strength, overall strength, pain tolerance, etc.
I live in a poor area that is full of these dogs. The issue is exacerbated so much by people with nothing to their name so they need a status symbol to appear tough. It’s really sad.
I always get confused for a few moments when I see these dog breed/ghetto hatred comments, but then I realize it’s just steeped in closeted racism/classism. It’s really sad.
Do you think those people who feel the need to have a certain type of dog to look tough might also treat that dog a certain way to make it aggressive?
To piggyback, there’s a reason these animals are referred to as “the nursery dog” too. Pit bulls are incredibly sweet and protective. They will take care of your children as long as you treat them right
True but also not true. Pitbulls are a very deceiving risk. With a properly trained pitbull and owner the pitbull is unlikely to cause an injury, however if it does the injury is critical or lethal. Low chance, high impact. There are tons of stories about children being killed by their pitbull because today was the unlucky day that part of the pitbulls brain triggered and they went for the kill. It’s irresponsible to own a pitbull if you have small children. Pitbulls are great, although they’re a very challan dog to own which requires a diligent owner.
Until they snap and will attack your children out of the blue. So many stories of good owners with well behaving pit bulls that attack their owners.
No one is going to admit they regularly beat their dog after the dog snaps. Blame it on the dog, put the dog down and the responsibilty dies with it.
So many? Like, a statistically significant amount that would show in an unbiased study, or just anecdotal accounts from social media?
Someone already posted this: https://lemmy.world/comment/15228347
Ah, yes, the same chart from DogsBite.org that all the anti-pit-bull types pass around like highschoolers passing around a particularly juicy note. The website with an incredibly obvious and documented bias against pit bulls. Surely I can trust their spin on things over the multitude of studies that conclude that breed isn’t a reliable predictor of aggression.
I have no real comment on the aggressiveness of pitbulls. I have a dog we think is a dalmatian/pitbull mix and she’s terrified of pretty much any humans other than us and a handful of others (she is especially afraid of men), which might look like aggression from a distance, but she would run away the second they got closer to her.
On the other hand, she’s a serial killer of small animals and she recently got in a fight with our other dog (she’s 11 and grumpy and in pain from bad arthritis) and tore his ear. So she certainly can be aggressive.
On the other hand, we used to have a roommate with a purebred dalmation and she was super aggressive.
So is the aggression she does show because of the pitbull part of the mix? The dalmatian part? Is it just her? I have no idea.
I do know I found a dog at the shelter who needed a loving home and I gave it to her. Which is the only way anyone should get a dog at this point.
Dalmatian are usually way more aggressive than pits.They’re a lot more rare than pits, so the statistics wouldn’t show that, but I’ve been in the dog grooming industry for almost 4 years and Dalmatian are WAY more likely to be crazy.
It’s never been about the breed, some people just shouldn’t have dogs.
Is it scarier when a pitbull snaps, than when a Chihuahua snaps? Absolutely! But if your dog snaps at people and other dogs, it doesn’t matter what breed it is, if you aren’t willing to train them to not snap, you’re a bad dog owner!
This thread is full of racist people who think it’s okay to be openly racist when it’s not about humans. If your dog was killed by a pit and you blame the dog instead of the owner, guess what? You’re an idiot and you were probably a bad dog owner too. Some people get lucky and don’t have to do anything for their dog to behave, but that doesn’t mean they’re good owners.
Has anyone here played Aliens: The Dark Descent ?
?!
Answer the question.
I thought he was talking about amnesia the dark descent and the alien game combined, had no clue that game was a thing.
I’m an owner of a rescue dog with behavioral problems, and I am fortunate to say that the only person my dog has ever bitten after I adopter her is me. It takes a lot of work and effort, and I am absolutely certain she would bite other people under the right circumstances. Problem is, most dog owners are not like me.
Granted my rescue dog is a small Chihuahua mix, so at worse, she might break skin on your finger or heels and leave a small scar.
Very different circumstances than if she were a big dog.
You gotta get em fixed, and pure titanium chain is only thing that will hold em, not a good breed for apartments.
Just make sure not to have two of them together or one of them will kill the other just to melt the chains with its acid blood.
I think they’ve deliberately used their own blood before?
Be sure to clip their tail spike.
In alien ressurecrion they kill one of their own to melt their way out of their cage
not sure I like the cartoon with the rape alien attached to a little girl.
I think you’re going to deep on the subtext here but that kid IS dead or will be dead so…
it’s not really subtext. Alien is a movie that is explicitly about rape and unwanted pregnancy, and seeing that imagery deployed flippantly on a cartoon child is squicky.
If we did domesticate xenomorphs, we’d have to make artificial “hosts” for the facehuggers to implant an egg in. Since the xenos apparently incorporate some DNA from the host, we could even make custom ones!
My headcanon (in which only the first two Alien movies count) is that Xenomorph queens normally aren’t much bigger than regular Xenomorphs, but the one in Aliens was huge because she incubated inside the Space Jockey.
Alien 3 already has one that came from an ox (or dog depending on which cut of the movie) so at least it doesn’t need to be from people. Honestly aside from that they don’t really get into the interesting DNA combination stuff too much. Could be cool for one that’s like a breed of dog all specialized and whatnot.
Now I’m curious if a Chihuahua alien would be more aggressive than a regular Chihuahua or not
A Chihuahua alien would tremble, constantly, make quick jabs at its’ victims then momentarily retreat before going in for another jab. All while barking incessantly.
Now I’m hopeful AI can help provide us with a Chihuahua edition of all the movies.
Hopefully we could just grow a fleshy blob that serves to incubate them rather than making living creatures go through that!
I’d like to see a cat xenomorph. It will knock things off of high places, hide in boxes, and ignore you when you call it.
You would crossbreed a perfect killing machine with a xenomorph ? Madness
We have those, they’re called sphinxes.
I love pitbulls. Some of the sweetest dogs I have ever had the pleasure of interacting with were pitbulls. I have only ever been aggressively attacked and bitten by small poorly trained yipyip dogs.
I have been bitten by bigger breed by accidentally stepping on their foot or tail, but I can’t hold those dogs responsible for my mistake and their evolutionary response.
I have been around big dogs for most of my life. One thing I will tell you is that any dog will let go of any bite if you shove a finger up it’s ass. I have helped some neighbors who had wolf dogs latched onto their arm get released with the ol finger up the ass trick.
Stay safe out there.
Your neighbor had multiple wolf dogs latched onto them? And you managed to put a finger in each of their assholes simultaneously or serially?
I like pits by virtue of being a dog, but I’m not confused about how dangerous they are. Some can be sweet and moderately trustworthy with training and constant constant supervision. And ideally a side arm.
She had two wolf/husky dog hybrids and they started fighting randomly while we were talking in her driveway. She stupidly tried to break them up by sticking her arm between them. Well one of them latched on her fore arm and wouldn’t let go. She screamed and I quickly grabbed the dogs scruff with one hand and sent the ol index on a butthole excursion.
Dog yelped and let her am go before it scurried off. I can’t remember if she needed stitches or not but we wrapped her arm up and I think her wife took her to the hospital later that evening. She was fine after a couple weeks. They ended up getting rid of the dogs. She decided she wasn’t the right owner for those dogs. She was right lol.
I would be curious how the “owner” doesn’t get attacked, didn’t know xenomorphs could be “friendly”
So you did not watch the movies?
I watched alien and aliens, nothing about it seeing humans as anything more than a target.
In Aliens 3, the xenomorph can tell Ripley’s been impregnated and backs off.
ETA: fuckin’ spoiler alert, i guess?
In Alien 4 or whatever the hybridized xenomorph sees Ripley as its momma.
So you do blame the breed then? Are you stupid?
Yes, that’s the whole point. It’s dumb to allow people to own dangerous animals. Same reason we don’t let people keep hyenas in their backyard.
So does this apply only to pittbulls or does it apply to rottweilers, dobermans, huskies, chows, presa canario, bull mastiffs, dalmations, german shepherds, malanois, labs, and any other breed that is large enough to hurt you and also “known” to be aggressive (as in “some people have bred some of them to be fighting, security, or police dogs sometimes, or some have been reported for biting when small dogs wouldn’t be”)?
https://worldanimalfoundation.org/dogs/are-pitbulls-dangerous/
Yes. 100 percent, absolutely, no doubts, yes. If your dog is over (a very arbitrary, but we can drop it lower) 1 stone (for the brits), 20 lbs (for the amerikkans), or 8 kilos (for the
eurosintelligent worlders), you should have to have a significant insurance policy on the dog (I think my local authority sets the ‘dangerous dog’ minimum at $100 grand), a license that can only be obtained with at least 6 months training, and a yearly inspection of your facilities and the dog.Reasoning: I’ve had to patch up, or take the parts with us, too many folks who have been bit.
What authoritarianism does to a mf.
Shoutout to their cousins, the head crab and the flood <3
I’ll have you know that Lamar has been de-beaked and will only cuddle with your head.
Dude, my pet flood would never…! Jenkins is just the sweetest!
Face cuddles!
In b4 shitbull lover rage
