Edit: WE DON’T TALK ABOUT NUMBER 11.

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    9 hours ago

    Isn’t it obvious?

    Drawing porn of animated characters looks close to the real drawing.

    Also, all those are from sitcoms that teenagers watch, like no duhhh

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    Honest question since i’m not a guy: When you guys are masturbating to Lisa Simpson do you think.you are fucking her in 3D or 2D? Are you a simpson character or is she a yellow little girl? Just trying to.understand your minds

    Regardless, this is very fucked up, but I’m curious anyway

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    18 hours ago

    Haha what kind of degenerate do you have to be to find any of these characters hot enou-

    Amy Wong

    We shouldn’t judge others so harshly…

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    17 hours ago

    The fraction of teenage/underage girls on that list is too damn high (hell, Louise is 9)

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      13 hours ago

      Controversial opinion: If killing npcs in video games is fine and shouldn’t land you in prison for murder, because they are fictional and not real people, then porn of “underage” fictional characters is also fine and shouldn’t be illegal.

      Finding something disgusting is not a proper reason to make something illegal. The only relevant aspect is whether it causes harm to others or not.

      • Csam harms children -> should be illegal and punished
      • fictional drawings don’t harm anyone bevause no actual people involved -> should be legal
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        12 hours ago

        I’m not talking about legal judgement (I practically never do) and I’m not even talking bout legit PDF files.

        It’s just disgusting that rule 34 of literal children scores this high.

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        Legality and morality don’t necessarily align. I would find it very immoral, but as far as I know, not illegal, to get off to drawings of children. Additionally, what’s the difference between a photo of a child and a realistic drawing of a “fictional character” that looks like said child? I think getting off to children is wrong, regardless of criminality. If that’s something someone desires, they should seek help, not indulge in fantasy.

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          to get off to drawings of children

          They are not drawings of children, they are drawings of fictional characters that look like children. That is an important distinction here I think. Obviously getting off to a drawing of a real child is wrong.

          what’s the difference between a photo of a child and a realistic drawing of a “fictional character” that looks like said child?

          That’s my whole point, it makes all the difference. One is an actual human person that feels emotions and is harmed by the creation and spread of csam, while the other literally doesn’t exist.

          That’s why I think it is not actually immoral. (I believe morality and legality should align anyways) Then again that’s why we watch fictional shows in the first place

          I think your disgust might come from anthropomorphising the fictional character and feeling empathy towards it?
          (Of course you are entitled to your feelings)

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            11 hours ago

            I have always felt the “actually she’s 1000 years old and just looks like a child” argument is both ridiculous and disingenuous. They’re interested because she looks like a child, not because of her character supposed age. Again, but rephrased, what’s the difference if someone makes a character that looks like a real child but is fictional and much older in their characterization? At what point is it morally acceptable? Do you need to use an ambiguous art style? Do you need to include inhuman character traits? I simply cannot take the argument seriously, because clearly the character looking like a child is important. What difference does the story you tell yourself about their age make? Why not just pretend real CSAM is just young looking aliens that are a million years old? If it looks like a child, I believe it’s unequivocally immoral, and there is no line you can draw that would convince me that a childlike drawing that falls on the “OK” side of the line isn’t immoral.

            • Zwiebel@feddit.org
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              I have always felt the “actually she’s 1000 years old and just looks like a child” argument is both ridiculous and disingenuous

              I haven’t made that argument

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                It’s the same argument, that the character only looks like a child, but isn’t. I chose a hyperbolic example for emphasis, but it’s the same argument. It looks like a child. That’s the point.

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        12 hours ago

        I’m normally an anti-slippery slope person but there’s a definite escalatory nature to how paedophiles operate, it’s easy to see how images of fictional children can evolve into images of actual children.

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          10 hours ago

          How is this argument different than the “video games cause violence” argument?

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            The “video games cause violence” argument is wrong, because the vast majority of gamers don’t try to use games as a substitute action for violent behaviour.

            But there are of cause at least some mass murderers and school shooters, that have played violent games in order to fulfill their violent phantasies, couldn’t do so in a long term and murdered real people instead.

            Same goes with pedophiles. They want to fuck a child, use fictional characters to fulfill the phanstasy, get used to it and then escalate to pictures of real children and eventually real children.

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            Because as I said, people with an interest in CSAM tend to escalate in their behaviour. Most don’t jump straight into child pornography but start with less serious things like jailbait and non-sexualised images of children etc. It doesn’t take a huge leap to see the same pathway with images of fictional children.

            I’m not suggesting that everyone into this material will go on to abuse children or start to consume actual CSAM but there’s a non-zero amount of actual paedophiles who started their journey with this exact material.

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              It’s that the same with violence, people that want to commit acts of violence may start by acting out violence in video games?

    • FundMECFS@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      17 hours ago

      Out of 11 we have:

      Maggie Simpson Lisa Simpson Louise Belcher

      And maybe Hayley Smith and Meg Griffin? Or are they 18?

      Anyways, that’s a really high proportion, like a thirdish.

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      8 hours ago

      I agree but the availability of csam on the internet (real or simulated) reduces the instances of real-world abuse so… take that as you will I guess :/

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        Does it? I used to see this argument a lot on Reddit back in the early days when there were a lot more pedos on there and I don’t really buy it. Are there any actual studies on this? I feel like there have got to be better ways at managing it than that at least from a clinical standpoint

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        I’m not arguing against rule 34ing these characters.

        But I refuse to believe that the fraction of actual pedophiles on rule34 is that high such that three of the top 11 haven’t even hit puberty yet.

        I think that lots of these numbers comes from some sort of taboo breaking.

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          Also there is probably some level of inflation from the characters being present even if they aren’t necessarily part of the act. IE a porn comic where Bart and Lisa are complaining about thumping, cut to Marge and Homer fucking.

          I rather like my hentai and have seen this type of thing frequently enough to say it’s semi common. Though I am not into Simpsons personally, a bit too abstract and too far away from human coloration to enjoy.

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    |>11 Maggie Simpson

    This has to be bots, please. Someone has to be just fucking around. This can’t be real.

    • MrMcGasion@lemmy.world
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      Elon Musk is #26 and Tracer is #27. So there are definitely some edgelords fucking around and messing with the stats.

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      Isn’t there an episode where Maggie is grown up? Or am I thinking of Lisa?

      I choose to believe it’s the adult version

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      I doubt you don’t know that not only this is very real, but it’s not even close to the worse rule34 and similar have to offer.

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        18 hours ago

        No I don’t know and I didn’t want to know. I purposely avoid this shit.

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          There’s a lot of funny shit out there. Like “personality_excretion”. It’s such a wild concept that I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, but you gotta acknowledge the creativity

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      Probably long form comics that have Maggie in the intro panel doing nothing. Or so I’m choosing to believe.

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    What else do these all have in common?

    They all have art styles that are purposefully designed to be really cheap and easy to make. The same choices that helped these studios crank out hours upon hours of formulaic content also helps the rule 34 artists.

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      Yup. Flat colors, thick ink lines, and very little detail. The goal is for animators to be able to reproduce the art quickly and reliably, to be able to churn out dozens of seasons.

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    17 hours ago

    Its probably because anyone into anime is using a booru, like a normal person.

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      Oh my god. For some reason I read that as ‘Marge’ a second time. I distinctly remember thinking “Huh, that’s weird.”

      Now idk if speed reading fucked me over or my brain just went “NOPE” and redacted that. And now I have in the fuckin’ image.

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        Would have to be, Lisa is incredibly high also and I find it hard to believe that the majority of horny humans would choose a 9(?) Yr old. But she’s been depicted as an adult a bunch of times

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          the majority of horny humans would choose a 9(?) Yr old.

          Selection bias, it’s a large number of people who are actively seeking out R34 content, we also don’t know if it’s an actual majority because we don’t have a total number, just these top figures.

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            Perhaps majority is the wrong word, rather she is the most popular with horny humans. Im not referring to humans in general but pointing out that I’m saying Lisa is no. 2 on a ranked list. People are freaking out over Maggie when Lisa is also right there and far higher.

            So I suspect they’re both on the list for the same reason, and Lisa is higher because her adult version is used way more often and is more familiar.

            EDIT: Jesus Christ, the list has Louise Belcher. She’s 5

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    Something about all these characters that I can’t get behind, art style? personalities? I’m really not sure they all seem unappealing