“Stop being intolerant that I’m a fucking asshole!”
You don’t have to be RUDE to me, I just want your abuelos rounded up and deported/ in a prison/ forced labor camp/ disappeared what’s the problem here!?
This is my attitude whenever someone complains about there being too much ‘politics’ in everything.
Everything touches politics, but we only notice it when it adversely effects us. The people who take as granted that politics is it’s own thing are usually the people who are the most privileged by it.
I think I can explain the bad taste the comic leaves in my mouth regarding politics (and generally a lot of the discussion). It’s not that everything isn’t politics, it’s that everything is being framed as “two-sided politics”, black/white, red/blue. An argument can be made that with “the system”(america), yes voting action can be viewed that way. But it’s subjugating the entire conversation 100% of the time.
For instance, what policy is this comic critiquing and bringing awareness too? It feels like the lowest effort-bottom of the barrel attempt at a political cartoon for the clicks and ragebait. It’s not calling attention to any individuals or organizations involved, it’s a satirical stabbing for communities that are really hurting.
I agree. The bad taste is not that while not wrong per-se, it’s just reduces a complex issue into “red bad” while wholly failing to acknowledge that Democrats have been complicit in facilitating the Overton Window this far.
“Progressives” are really hard on the “REPUBLICANS DID THIS!” and never really pick up on the “and Democrats met them half way.”
This blue no matter who reduction hopes to hide liberalism is the slow road to fascism.
The problem isn’t meany racist MAGAts. It’s the entire system spending decades working overtly toward fascism with a bunch of clueless fucking rubes staring complacently.
“The real problem with this murder is that the police didn’t do enough to stop it. You should blame they police just as much, if not more, than the murderer.”
No, the murderer is to blame. Yes, you can criticise those that should have prevented it for not doing more, but the people actually doing the bad thing are worse than the people not stopping the bad thing.
If someone stole your wallet the person who stood there and watched it happen is not the person you should be focusing on.
Idk, I think it’s VERY SPECIFICALLY about trans rights, but I just can put my finger on why…
Isn’t it totally obvious what the comic is critiquing? There are too many people out there who vote for racist parties that want to eliminate people in their social circle and that are totally butthurt when they get called out for that and are bitter when those people don’t want to have anything to do with them afterwards. “It’s just politics”
Anti Trans bills running totals
656 bills
49 states
13 passed
621 active
22 failed
I know the media will never report on most of this if any of it, but it’s no secret the party that currently has control of three branches of government, including the most blatantly corrupt supreme court in US history, is actively trying to make trans people illegal, illegal to exist, or to be recognized, illegal to be publicly trans, and legal to deny medical treatment towards.
I don’t blame you if you missed this movement happening right now, as it’s not widely reported, but it’s a huge problem and the cartoon is explicitly a MAGA republican stabing a trans person and calling it ‘‘just politics’’ and telling them to not take it personally.
I’ll take my downvotes, but while I agree with the sentiment in this particular comic I have no fucking interest in seeing shitty pizzacake and her no-punchline comics or her army of sycophants here on Lemmy.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let pizzacake have her tiny window of microcelebrity on reddit and please spare the rest of us this bullshit.
just for that and every incel comment on this post I think I’ll write a bot that posts weekly PCC.
I’ll upvote every one lol. I do not get the hate this artist gets. There is so much real shit to be angry about, why do they waste their tears on this
Agreed. There’s nothing wrong with this message, but Pizzacake as a creator sucks.
Low effort garbage made by someone who buys upvotes in an attempt to shill her NSFW patreon.
I agree with you. These comics are pretty low effort excuses to shill a NSFW patreon. In other words, ads.
It’s best to leave these to reddit.
I appreciate that but I do want to be clear, I do not care if pizzacake has an onlyfans or uses her comics to advertise said onlyfans. I am sex positive, and aggressively pro-sex worker, so I will never disparage pizzacake or anyone else for their sexuality or participation in sex work of any kind.
This is not my objection to pizzacake and I strongly agree with those who rightly call out the criticism of her which boils down to judgement of her for her onlyfans. My issues is with the comic content she makes, how she conducts herself online, and mostly with her army of sycophants.
I personally wish pizzacake nothing but success in her onlyfans endeavors and she deserves to be as free from misogynistic comments wrongfully judging her for her sex work as anyone else.
Oh yeah I didn’t mean to imply selling NSFW content is bad or a moral failing of some sort, because its not. Same way pushing boner pills on prime time cable isn’t some sort of moral failing, I just don’t care for it and have no desire to have that content pushed to me, so I avoid it.
My quibble with pizzacake is the low effort level of pushing these ads. If she was selling artisinal mittens and using low effort comics to push that I’d feel the same. It’s just extra weird because the rabid fanbase will jump down your throat to the point that you have to post paragraphs denouncing misogynist intent just to point out that these comics are low effort ads.
I understood your objection was with them as advertisements and wasn’t trying to imply otherwise, I just wanted to clarify my own position due to the commonality of criticism of pizzacake for her sex work which, again, I adamantly object to.
I’ll take my downvotes, but while I agree with the sentiment in this particular comic I have no fucking interest in seeing shitty pizzacake and her no-punchline comics or her army of sycophants here on Lemmy.
“REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let pizzacake have her tiny window of microcelebrity on reddit and please spare the rest of us this bullshit.
We kimosabe? I left Reddit because because its rapidly becoming a rightwing hellhole and it’s inevitable enshitification due to being centralized and privately owned. Go create your own circlejerk club lemmy instance that hates pizzacake. Or just filter it.
Or IDK, downvote and move on. Lambasting a comic book artist in the comments because you see them as undeserving of their success is aggressively elitist hipster douchebaggery.
You should be like me and make everyone hate you for reasons that matter (Telling them their politics and philosophy is shit and stupid) and not arbitrary culture in-group-out-group elitism.
Reddit is far from a right wing hell hole. I haven’t logged on in over a year but jumping to the front page is 4/5 push back against the right with the other 1/5 just “am I over reacting” posts with a sprinkle of cats and everyday humor.
Maybe you’re referring to ownership?
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“Why can’t everyone else just hate the same things I hate!?”
Imagine being this worked up about a webcomic, shitty or otherwise.
Also “this worked up”, lol.
Just curious, exactly how worked up do you think a person must be to undertake the Herculean effort of making a drive-by Lemmy comment?
Yes clearly this is consuming the whole of my being.
I mean, you replied twice to my comment, to let me know you weren’t worked up, so…
Also stating
passivity in the face of decline has always been the preferable option. Protecting our sacred decorum is so much more important than maintaining a critical eye and standards
makes me think you’re taking it pretty damn seriously lol
Yeah boredom on a slow day at work can’t exist.
And my level of investment automatically invalidates any point I make right? Because that’s how discussions work, discredit and invalidate the arguer rather than the argument.
Cool interaction.
And my level of investment automatically invalidates any point I make right?
You’re acting like their response was ever intended to be a thorough breakdown of your argument and why it’s wrong lol.
All they said was an exaggerated paraphrase of your comment for comedic effect and then wondered how you could get so worked up over this.
Yeah boredom on a slow day at work can’t exist.
I totally understand this. Putting way more effort into a comment than I need to because of a slow day at work is exactly what I’m doing rn lol.
But that’s not what’s indicative of you getting worked up. It’s the defensiveness and comments that read as bitterly aggressive.
I’ll take my downvotes, but while I agree with the sentiment in this particular comic I have no fucking interest in seeing shitty pizzacake and her no-punchline comics or her army of sycophants here on Lemmy.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let pizzacake have her tiny window of microcelebrity on reddit and please spare the rest of us this bullshit.
I’ll raise you one better and do a revision of your original comment.
I’ll take my downvotes… wait no, I probably shouldn’t start a comment off like this because it only shows I’m bitter that people don’t agree with me, let me start again.
While I disagree with the sentiment of @Vespair@lemm.ee’s original comment, I do think that there’s one thing we should be not be bringing over from Reddit. Gatekeeping.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let holier-than-thou gatekeeping stay on Reddit. Most if not all of us moved to this platform for its freedom from ads, algorithm manipulations and for more meaningful curation of our online interactions.
We should want this for all people, and that includes the people who post stuff we don’t like. Those people aren’t ruining Lemmy, they’re keeping it diverse, and exercising their right to use a platform that isn’t controlled by a company who is selling their data and manipulating their world view in the interest of those who care about nothing more than consolidating more wealth and power, at the expense of their users. In some cases at the expense of geopolitical stability and people’s actual lives.
Your sentiment isn’t different just because you couch it in decorum. I’ve played that game long enough, I’m over it. You are very good at it though, kudos.
So maybe consider channeling that boredom into something productive instead of tearing down something you don’t like, that has zero tangible impact on your life.
Anyway, you’re right this is not a great interaction, so take 'er easy.
These people want Lemmy to be Reddit and don’t understand why that’s a problem. You are quite literally pissing in the chud winds. I upvoted you, but I do think you’re wasting your time outside of your initial comment.
Yeah, passivity in the face of decline has always been the preferable option. Protecting our sacred decorum is so much more important than maintaining a critical eye and standards. Great take.
I think you’re asking for the moon here, pal.
You’re not wrong. The fact that I’m fighting a knowing losing battle doesn’t make it less meaningful in my eyes, however.
I can respect that. Go forth with my blessing, brave knight.
It might help if you included, like, any real information at all since this is so important and meaningful to you. Or just keep raging into the night like a lunatic lol.
We really need a deadly plague that’s easy to vaccinate against.
That would be cruel, as it would cost countless innocent lives of those who cannot be vaccinated because of preexisting conditions, allergies or whatever.
That, but the biggest losers here will be the children of anti-vax parents. They don’t deserve to die because their parents are idiots. Same goes with “faith” healing.
I’d be interested in the cost analysis of lives saved from MAGA’s hate crimes vs lives lost to inability to vaccinate.
Fortunately it’s just daydreaming as no one has control of this runaway cart.
It’s silly to me to see either side point a finger and say “they do this or that” . The minute you categorized a single person as a group you already lost the argument. This applies to both sides. Don’t be a fool and decide that if your friend votes differently than you that it’s an attack on you personally. There are only 2 main voted for parties with many different stances on many different things all lumped into a party. Just bc you’re in part A doesn’t mean you agree with all of it.
I don’t disagree with the premise, but one group is literally siding with Trump and cheering on everything he does. You have a way to get through to them? Because so far, when you point out the issues, they just attack or claim you’re a sore loser.
I would agree with you if the choice was between Trump and vampire Hitler, but Harris was such a better choice than Trump that to still vote for Trump requires that you approve of (at least) most of what he does. That alone is enough to make me think you’re a bad person.
Yeah idk why you’re getting downvoted. A major part of the problem in my opinion is bucketing people and making huge generalizations based off the culture wars that the bourgeoisie has created to get us bickering amongst ourselves.
False equivalency. Categorizing all MAGA like the portrayal in this political cartoon is not the same as categorizing a whole type of people as some stereotype.
Stereotypes are not factual. Some may have a basis in reality, many have no basis in reality. In almost all cases stereotypes are degrading, and statistically impossible to apply to all members of a certain group, despite people using verbiage in the stereotypes indicating it is inherent to all members (e.g. “All Asians are bad drivers”)
MAGA as portrayed here is categorically factual. By definition MAGA supports Trump and his policies. His policies are harmful to trans people. Therefore, all MAGA are harmful to trans people strictly because of the policies they support.
Bringing it back to the “all Asians are bad drivers” example, if we modified it to say “all bad drivers are bad drivers”, then that would be more of an equivalent to the categorization of MAGA depicted. Because the categorization is the definition of the group, rather than taking a group and assigning it an attribute totally unrelated to its definition (e.g. race, gender, even political party as not all republicans are on board with maga)
I see what you’re getting at, but there are a few issues with your argument. The biggest problem is that it overgeneralizes MAGA supporters in a way that actually undermines the point it’s trying to make. Yeah, MAGA as a movement backs Trump and his policies, and many of those policies have been harmful to trans people. But saying every single MAGA supporter is inherently harmful to trans people just by association is a bit of a leap. Not all MAGA supporters are equally informed, engaged, or even fully on board with every single thing Trump does. Some people support him for economic reasons, immigration policy, or just because they feel alienated by mainstream politics (most of what I’ve seen from those I’ve met who “support MAGA”)…not necessarily because they have an issue with trans people. Acting like its a monolith where everyone in it is equally responsible for every policy oversimplifies things.
Also, the categorically factual claim doesn’t really hold up. There’s a difference between supporting Trumps policies and actively harming trans people. Yes, Trumps policies have been harmful, but does every MAGA supporter personally advocate for those policies? Do they all even know the specifics of them? Probably not. You could argue that passively supporting a movement that enacts harmful policies still contributes to harm, but that’s not the same as saying every individual supporter is personally out to get trans people.
At the end of the day, I get the frustration with MAGA as a movement. It pushes policies that hurt marginalized groups, and it’s going to wreck havoc on our standard of living. But treating every individual MAGA supporter as personally responsible for all of those policies flattens the complexity of why people support Trump in the first place. It’s totally fair to call out the movement, but it’s a stretch to claim that every person in it is harmful in the exact same way.
If we want to quash this movement , we need to really think about why people support it and identify root cause so we can quell it from the root instead of just attacking the surface. And a major component is going to be speaking with people’s elephants instead of their riders. We have to be the bigger people here and try to empathize even when it seems impossible. Attacking them just isn’t going to work. That’s just human nature for ya.
Anyway, thanks for commenting and taking the time to explain yourself. I hope this at least explains my position a bit better.
Comment after 9 month. Come with your main account. XD
If someone isn’t comfortable speaking from their main account (which apparently isn’t the case here) then that’s more of a sign the community needs to change and be more open to differing points of view. It’s not always a problem with the individual, and implying that to be the case when it clearly isn’t is a toxic thing to do.
If you have to hide your point of view on this topic maybe you should take a look at yourself and try to figure out why you’re such a hateful asshole.
This is my only account and not sure what your eluding to here honestly. I don’t comment often nor do I spend much time on social media as I have a career and family to tend to. I still stand by my comment and have nothing to hide.
My sister has lost several friends when they voted MAGA and showed their true, horror selves. My sister is a hero.
I seriously had a Right-Wing friend of mine try to tell me that
“The Trans needed some pushback because they were simply demanding too much” Card
Which hurt, especially with a “You need to learn to compromise, we’re not asking much. It’s not going to tear your arm off to put biologically accurate data onto government documents.” Stat Boosting Spell Card he threw down when I pointed out that Trump was ordering people to put M’s on Transwomen’s documentation
I’d never been more insulted in my life. Bro had no clue he was legitimately saying the modern version of “Look the Government just needs to know your background, wearing that Star of David in public isn’t going to get you killed.”
Thankfully he was willing to listen when I pointed that goof out to him… He’s still a Right Winger who’s now willing to walk back his statements in favor of “Agree to disagree”
I love my friend and I’d stand up if his rights were being violated, I’m just horrified to realize he absolutely will not show me the same decency.
I don’t know the context here because I am not American. That being said I can see it being useful that there is a record somewhere that someone has transitioned and what medical steps this involved for no other reason than their safety. Things like HRT, or any kind of surgery can have serious complications. Even gender dysphoria itself can lead to suicide. There should be some mechanism in place for Doctors to get this information quickly, and by nature that would probably involve the government. It should obviously be protected information like any other piece of medical data not available to all government workers unless it directly concerns their responsibilities.
There should be some mechanism in place for Doctors to get this information quickly, and by nature that would probably involve the government
This is an insane proposal. If doctors could see such info, so too could the literal Nazis running the government. What you’re proposing as a centralized repository for medical info would instantly become a literal “round up these people and put them in camps” list.
Kind of ironic that those who preach for a small government are the same just have to collect as much documentation as possible. Ironic until you realise how helpful that might be if you want to persecute some minorities eventually.
They wouldn’t be so open to having their information documented. It’s not a big deal unless it’s happening to them.
“You need to learn to compromise, we’re not asking much. It’s not going to tear your arm off to put biologically accurate data onto government documents.”
Like… Why though? For what reason does the government need this and why would a normal person even care? I could see that it needs to be documented in medical history but even then they should refer to you properly.
God, does the “Asking for too much” card drive me fucking crazy.
These darn queers and their desire to walk the streets without the risk of being beaten to death, how dare them!i used to follow ytubers like that they will listen to reason, but was still “anti-wke this or that” something changed during the pandemic and then went full maga.
Ugh, I hate Right Wing Youtubers. You can see Google’s political bias on full display with them. I always find it suspicious that non-political youtubers can’t say “Kill” in ANY context without it being counted as a swearword on par with the N-Word…
But Right Wingers can say the most hateful shit and are still allowed to have a channel with PragerU platforming LITERAL CHILD ABUSE yet still being allowed to do a show targeted at kids.
There was this DBD Youtuber who was spitting straight facts about the horrible decisions made with the game, and then he moves from his first point (bullshit nerfs that feel so random that it’s likely play testing wasn’t done with them) to talking about how the game is “Unrealistic” and to that I said
“Okay… it’s a dark cartoony game where you play Hide and Seek with Freddy Krueger and the Xenomorph, it 's not meant to be reali… Ah THERE we go.”
Why did I say “THERE we go!” Because he immediately jumps to “Like 1/5 of the cast is canonically gay! But there’s only like .0001% of people who are gay in real life”
And I had to point out that “You were cooking… until you got really homophobic.” in the comments
He actually responds to me and gets into a shouting match.
He goes on and on about how the character David King was “Clearly intended to be a straight man”, because his backstory “Had him be VERY manly!”, and that it was an attack on him personally that he was “Changed to be gay”
I calmly told him that the devs can do whatever they want with their characters. I mean yeah if they said “Oh , btw, Laurie Strode’s a lesbian”, that’d be bad because the job of the guest characters is to show them as they were IN THEIR ORIGINAL FILMS! But… they didn’t make Laurie Strode gay, they made David King, a character Behavior created themselves, gay.
He gave me the same bullshit about “David King’s original story had him being manly!”
I pointed out that David King’s CURRENT story still had him be manly, and that manly men exist in the gay community (With David being something of what they call a “bear” in the gay community), oh and the big one… this wasn’t some recent out of nowhere Overwatch-style retcon, he’d been hard confirmed as gay VERY early on… So, wasn’t sure why he was complaining.
Because I knew that (very common and well-known piece of information), I outted myself to him as “ONE OF THEM!!111”, and he said something to me I’ll never forget.
That I was one of the “queers” ruining America, who was as he put it “Offended by Everything and Ashamed of Nothing!”
Now that was the most mask off he’d been all conversation.
I simply asked what was it he felt that I had to be ashamed of… Never got an answer, so I can only assume he didn’t know himself.
Later I found I was subscribed to him, likely had done so early on in his vid. He was live-streaming killer and complaining about a well-known Youtuber who exposes Toxic Players in the DBD community… The whole stream it was nothing but shitting on this Youtuber for, and get this, defending gay gamers from homophobic bullies instead of “Letting them get what they deserve for shoving it down people’s throats.”
When I realized this I left the stream, downvoted, and unsubscribed.
I wish him well and hope he changes, but since I know he’s unlikely to, deep down I hope he’s having a rusty nail shoved up his dickhole and that it gets infected.
I’ve sadly since learned that the homophobe not only was still at the homophobia game, but had gotten the slogan “Ally to the Community” trending through the Toxic Side of the community as a backhanded way of insulting… anyone Pro-LGBT affiliated with DBD.
My point is, I just hate people who do nothing but hate and how they that despite being the clear aggressor, seem to believe they’re never the ones in the wrong.
Nyway, I should lay down for bed, but before I go I must say
inb4
“If they have a problem with things being shoved down their throats they shouldn’t deepthroat so fucking hard.”
This was the last place I expected to see a rant about DbD! There are some trulyawful people in the community, from playing just to waste other people’s time to getting into “us vs them” arguments and hurling insults. I’m glad there’s a few people who go above and beyond to set good examples.
On topic, I don’t get how even if Behaviour retconned characters to be different sexualities impacts our ability to enjoy the game at all. It’s not like the pride charms are going to hurt you, lol!
Right? Behavior created David King, he’s their character, if they wanna say he’s actually a time traveling alien from the future with a singing prehinsle dick, that’s their creative decision. Don’t like it? Don’t fucking play the game. Wanna play the game anyway because it’s fun? Then play it for the game and keep your mouth shut about the story.
The only reason I’m against changing pre-existing characters is because when I see a Superman movie, there’s an expectation of who Superman is going into it. If the movie fails to meet this expectation, than the movie sucks. (You bet your ass I hate Man of Steel)
With DBD, the way I see it, they only have the responsibility to meet my expectations for the licensed characters. For their own people they can do whatever the fuck I want.
What I hate about “BHVR IS DEI!!111” complaints is that they aren’t consistent. I’ve heard people claim “X Characters is bad because she isn’t sexy enough” and then later “Y Character is bad because she’s too sexy, and therefore the self-insert of a developer.” Like, which is it? Is it bad because you have an erection or is it because because you can’t masturbate to a game that is more focused on making you afraid than aroused?
This artstyle looks like “what if Control Alt Delete was drawn by someone who had fashion sense and also talent”.
I like it.
Talent?
You seriously think this is a talented artist?
Well, compared to Tim Buckley, yes.
Slightly less half assed, I’ll grant you that.
Still, one of the most popular webcomics is XKCD, and he relies entirely on the humour in the strip.
Same, It’s sad that art actually peaked in the 2000’s, everything has to be “On Model” and “Simplified” now.
…at first i thought this was because some left Parties don’t care about all these stabbings.
But that’s more an issue in Western Europe then while MAGAs show their potential of destructivity in US.
Is the “just because we disagree on politics we can still get along” frame of mind generally a conservative thing? Because on one hand, it makes sense. On the other hand, I find it very difficult, for example, to look past the fact that some conservatives want to stop aid to Ukraine (as a Ukrainian living in the US).
Indeed, many Conservatives are of the “I just ate, so I guess World Hunger is a myth” variety.
Unless something is specifically happening to them personally, it isn’t THAT big a deal.
A lack of empathy is a hallmark of the ideology.
I chuckled at the “I just ate, so there’s no hunger example” because I have a conservative-leaning friend who was of the “it just rained, so there’s no drought” mentality.
human and civil rights aren’t “politics”
What can someone self identify as though, can I self identify as a specific race, species, nationality, etc… where does one determine where to draw the line?
Clearly its going to be an issue that leads to some disagreement as it is open to ambiguity. If anything can self identify as anything would that be the middle path?
well at least you’re trying…
but, let’s not equivocate gender and species (sorry furries)…. or race….
but, race and gender are social constructs.
gender was redefined, in a scientific sense, by anthropologists, to reflect sex-attached roles in society, whereas biological sex refers to genitalia….
in humans at large, most cultures have at least two genders, attached to male and female sex. many cultures have more than two genders, and many cultures allow people to be any gender role they choose…
this ambiguity is WHY they needed a term for this other than sex.
like, why would being born male mean you’re only allowed to like things from a particular set. Allowed to like playing in mud and a little fighting… not allowed to play with dolls (which is play socializing and why women are more emotionally intelligent)… boys aren’t supposed to like certain colors, or certain clothes… or music… or have particular mannerisms… or cry….
but these are all rules imposed by society, they’re not inherent to the biological sex.so where do you draw the line? well, i’d start with: all social constructs you can be what you feel like you are.
race is a much more complicated social construct, given that america switched to race based slavery early on… but, race is completely constructed by society. there’s more genetic variation between african tribes than there is between “races” like caucasian and mongaloid or whatever antique racial term you want to use.
it’s just that we can quickly see a difference in regional adaptations (like skin color or eye shape).
in america, a half black person could act more like white culture or more like black culture and be somewhat accepted in either… in fact, white slave owners would commonly rape their own slaves in order to breed more slaves… and sell of their own children… every american black person (with a lineage here) is part caucasian, and vice versa…
irish, italians, and polish people used to be considered non-white but eventually became accepted as such… largely because you couldn’t immediately see a difference…
and race originally used to mean peoples that spoke different languages… like the spanish race and french race… it’s totally nuts….
race has been made real, as a social construct, but there’s no scientific basis for it….
Speciation begins when two different groups can no longer reproduce and create successful offspring… like say, pubic lice and head lice can reproduce and their offspring can reproduce but their claws aren’t good at grabbing either hair type, so they’re not successful and there’s two different species….
Race isn’t real, gender isn’t real… do what you want and enjoy yourself and just let other people enjoy themselves….
i’m just glad english doesn’t have gendered nouns like “oh a chair is female and a teapot is male”….
another confusing aspect with gender vs sex is the same word meaning different things in different contexts… like female gender vs female sex… but just default to calling people what they prefer and you’ll be fine.
some people will always be unreasonable but just try to be considerate and it’s all good….
oh and if someone insists that their “gender” is something invented like “dr@g0n fuck3r”, they’re a concern troll… (real example, spelled wrong to thwart searches).where does one determine where to draw the line?
Short answer: By what the experts say, and they say transgender people should be treated as the gender they identify as. Period.
Long answer: A lot of PhDs did a fuckload of research over a century plus and showed that, yeah, gender is super fucking complicated and doesn’t map out to male/female based on your genitals at birth (let alone for the reason that, you know, maybe you might be born with a penis AND a vagina or ovaries AND testes or female chromosomes AND male genetalia, etc.), and if people get some simple gender affirmation, they live better and happier lives, and that applies to cisgender people, as well.
Easy answer: You can claim to be fucking anything you want. Who actually gives a shit? Let people be themselves if it don’t hurt anyone. What’s the problem with being a transgirl or a transboy? Why do we even have multiple bathrooms? That just seems to punish all sorts of people for no reason.
If you WANT to say transracial or transspecies or transnational is a thing, by all means do some research and prove it through studies and peer review. Until then, it is unlikely to be recognized the same way that transgender has because it has a lot of supporting evidence.
If you WANT to say transracial or transspecies or transnational is a thing, by all means do some research and prove it through studies and peer review. Until then, it is unlikely to be recognized the same way that transgender has because it has a lot of supporting evidence.
I want to play a game with you. You’re demanding evidence for something that some people have a lot of experience with, but most people don’t care to investigate. I wanna do the same thing.
I’ve decided that fish aren’t real. I want you to link a scientific journal article that says fish are real. Not one that presupposes the existence of fish in general, one that asks if fish actually exist and asserts an answer from evidence.
If you can’t prove fish are real, why should anyone have to prove otherkin are real?
Buuuuuuuut, if you really want scientific articles on otherkin…
https://czasopisma.uni.lodz.pl/qualit/article/view/8147
I think you misunderstood, but I’m not presupposing otherkin isn’t a thing. I am saying it doesn’t have the same type of intellectual backing as transgender experience does, so it isn’t treated the same. I think that is unfortunate, even if there are studies done as well as expressed experiences, especially within indigenous peoples (and you could argue that is part of the reason fewer studies are done on it.)
I’m not really here to debate whether fish exist because I know fish exist and I can drive to most lakes and find fish in them and I can go to a few museums and see fish remains and I can go to pet stores and find fish for sale and I can go to a grocery store and find fish to eat. Doing that same thing with people and their personal experiences is much harder since it’s more of a personal experience and not, you know, a visible phenomenon, and so it’s going to be harder to convince people a personal experience is real if it’s not their experience and especially if it’s not a common one.
human and civil rights aren’t “politics”
You will agree that human and civil rights, such as the right to keep and bear arms, is not politics? If you disagree, why is your preferred civil rights not politics, but other’s preferred human and civil rights are?
what are and are not rights is a matter of philosophy
If politics includes the realm of persuading enough people and institutions to adopt or forget laws and standards, however moral of immoral they are, then rights of any kind are political.
Rights aren’t given in society for nothing. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights were created following WWII in which we saw the greatest political conflicts in the modern, technological age. Civil rights, at least in the US, have taken many acts as well as background political pressure to get to where we are today, and this institutionalizing of equal rights among American citizens only started after the US Civil War, the only civil war that country had ever experienced at that point.
Everything is politics.
your mom is politics
why not? What definition of politics are you using
Just wanted to say thank you. I never explicitly thought of it this way. Just that human and civil rights are important. I’m going to start framing it this way because it’s the truth.
I guess you’re right.
I was at a loss as to what to do when a few of my friends were expressing support for Trump, knowing that he plans on cutting aid to Ukraine (as well as other fucked up shit).
Gave a down arrow for the artist not the message
What’s wrong with the artist?
If you look at the subject matter she covers, it’s typically very safe, middle of the road stuff, at least considering her fan base, see MAGA BAD here as an example.
As a result, her comics are very middle of the road, bland and unimaginative.
If “maga bad” is an uncontroversial take, then how come Donald Trump is the president?
at least considering her fan base
Do read the entire comment, yeah?
Right, so when Bernie Sanders says socialism is good, that’s a bland “middle of the road” take given his fan base?
If so, what even is the criticism supposed to mean?
It’s annoying how often political comics aren’t funny at all. They’re just bile. I guess some people find it affirming? I always just roll my eyes when I see this stuff, even when I agree with the message.
Probius answered your question for me
Some people don’t like her because she makes a lot of comics that are like, “Haha, I have portrayed myself as the chad and you as the wojak, therefore I am superior!” Without having any actual comedic value. She also threatened r/bonehurtingjuice with legal action to make them ban remixes of her comics, something not even Stonetoss (the Nazi comic everyone hates) has done.
Don’t forget about the comic she made downplaying the seriousness of male r*pe on mens mental health awareness day, and the arguments she participated in under her own post with male victims of SA.
Link?
Here’s a r/SubredditDrama post that covers what was said before mods nuked the comments section
And another with more proof of mods nuking comments
I like her comic. It’s satire. She doesn’t agree with the misandry in the comic, you’re supposed to think the women’s opinions are wrong. She’s on the men’s side.
Yes, the comic is satire. The satire is “men getting treated the way female r*pe victims get treated”. Implying that male sexual assault doesn’t happen or that when it does, people actually believe them, when in reality men who are victims of this often just don’t speak up at all because when they are, they’re either not believed, called “gay” for not enjoying it, or it ends up reported with a headline like “female teacher has sex with male student”.
The fact she posted this comic on men’s mental health awareness day and proceeded to engage in arguments with male victims of SA in the comments - who were then banned without a chance to appeal - as well as her past of seeking out her critics to argue with even in other subreddits heavily indicates that this was inflammatory on purpose.
yes, she’s a “bitch” because she…posted a comic about the double standards between men and women. irony so thick it could kill you if your skull was any thinner.
I mean, what she posted isn’t even that bad. incels and simps get upset about it because they feel personally attacked, and they should.
if you get upset over her comics then you’re telling on yourself.
…did you respond to the wrong person or are you just making shit up to be mad at because you don’t have an argument?
they won’t respond because there is none.
Receipts have been posted above. Respectfully, I hope more people realize that when someone tries to paint every single one of their critics as being a misogynistic incel, that its a manipulation tactic. (Even though, yes, reddit is full of those too)
I find it really distasteful that she makes comics “in support” of trans people while denying those born as male can experience sexual assault. It’s just a different, more subtle/socially acceptable form of transphobia.
Sometimes comic artists and other creatives put characters in their works who have bad opinions they disagree with. Pizzacake doesn’t agree with the opinion that men can’t be raped, she just depicted it in a comic. Depiction isn’t the same as agreement. If it was, then George Lucas would be a Sith and Mary Shelley would be an abusive parent.
Oh wow, that sounds positively charming.
those examples are terrible. does she not get to respond to all the hate she gets because she’s an artist or because she’s a woman?
either way you answer you’re wrong because anyone has the ability to respond to the hate and vitriol they receive.
I don’t know what’s more pathetic Example 1, Example 2 ; that fact that people are so butthurt over her they have to go out of their way to make her sound shitty, or the fact that people go out of their way to mention how much they hate her.
don’t like her? just ignore her, she can’t hurt you. just move on man…it’s just making you look sad and pathetic.
This comment has most of what I would say to reply to you, so I’m linking it. Could you point out exactly what I’ve said so far that led you to believe that I’m biased against PCC because she’s an artist or a woman?
cool story bro.
it’s not what you said, it’s that you said anything at all.
did you guys ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, the reason why she makes fun of you is because you keep coming back with more hate? that she gains far more impressions and traffic on pointing out the hate and engaging with it instead of allowing it to steamroll her? that she somehow feels empowered when she calls out the sexist and vile shit people say to her–online–in public–for everyone to see?
of course not. why would you? you see pizzacake and you just get filled with so much raw emotion you can’t control yourself and lash out like a child only to be driven to attack…a comic artist…
stop acting like a petulant child.
This shit is exactly why I don’t what pizzacake’s bullshit here. For some fucking reason if you dare say anything short of “great comic” you are immediately lambasted as some kind of social miscreant who must be motivated by anti-women rhetoric.
You are not allowed to dislike pizzacake comics.
“You don’t have to comment, you can just scroll!”
We’re fucking allowed to discuss content online, even critically.
But not pizzacake. For some reason pizzacake is fucking sacred and if you aren’t actively licking the shit out of her asshole you’re literally the devil.
This is exactly the fucking problem.
She’s not actually making fun of them, though, she’s making fun of a stereotype which she imagines her “haters” to be.
The two linked examples are pretty much the definition of a strawman argument.
I haven’t spoken about PCC in, possibly, multiple years. I only posted because I was answering someone’s question.
did you guys ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, the reason why she makes fun of you is because you keep coming back with more hate?
Well, she’s not making fun of me because I don’t leave those kinds of comments on her posts, but yeah, this is literally what I just said she was doing. It’s called rage-baiting and it’s going really well for her because the popularity she gains from it translates to Patreon memberships.
you see pizzacake and you just get filled with so much raw emotion you can’t control yourself and lash out like a child only to be driven to attack…a comic artist…
If by raw emotion you mean mild disappointment at the lack of a punchline, sure.
Just spitballing here, but it seems like you’re trying to turn me into something I’m not so that you have a target to spew hatred on. I’m not one of those people raging in the comments about “trans bad, me angry!11!” that I’m sure you love to hurl insults at on Reddit. I’m just someone that doesn’t like comics that I don’t find humorous.
just so I can get the message clear from you.
- you don’t want to interact with PCC at all
- you have zero intention of hurling insults
- you aren’t a rage baiting troll.
if that’s true then why did you;
- click on a post about a PCC comic
- read through the comments and pick the one comment that was rage bait to respond to
- provide a low effort “explanation” about why anyone should hate PCC with examples of the artist “retaliating” against her outspoken critics
I’m going to be honest with you, I’m having a really hard time understanding the logic you used to get here. so help me out.
you say you don’t like comics you don’t find humorous, yet you go out of your way to waste your time and effort to post a comment supporting a narrative that the artist is a terrible person for…defending themselves? not only that, you continue to return again and again to defend your position on an artist you claim you don’t care about…
from my perspective, it seems like you’re either a rage-baiting troll or you’re an enraged simp that’s upset because you feel personally attacked by a woman and now that your views are getting called out you’re too embarrassed and emotional to take a step back and evaluate your opinion.
give me a third option here, I’m not seeing a lot of other ways to view you right now.
What is this shit? Every single time I see this uninspired bullshit-ass half-cocked nonsense it’s absolutely nothing. There is no joke here. There is no subtext. There is no comedy. This is just a series of vignettes showing things that wouldn’t be interesting if they happened to me. I wouldn’t find this engaging if I witnessed it occurring from across the room, and yet this artist has decided it deserved to be committed to MS Paint so that we could all witness their mundane life in perpetuity.
I mean, seriously, is this an NFT-type scam or something? Are they using their Patreon to launder money, and driving upvotes here in order to create the illusion that they could realistically be receiving that much? I just cannot fathom that something so “haha relatable” without the “haha” bit could be generating THOUSANDS of positive interactions.
That was pretty funny.
I found both examples kinda marginally funny.
Nothing nowhere near anything that would be reason to downvote some other piece of her work, like the one in the OP.
Beyond that, call me old fashioned, but copyright is copyright.
I liked both comics. I also like bone hurting juice. Fair use is valid.
Yep, if they’re funny to you, then good for you. I’m not trying to claim that she’s objectively bad or anything like that. I’m just explaining why a lot of people don’t like her.
So dine people don’t like her because she tells them to piss off? Not a bad reason for me.
She used to be pretty funny years ago, before she started focusing on hating her haters instead of making actual funny stuff. She started doing things like making a comic she knew would piss off some bigots in the comments, then making another comic (or a few) making fun of the people that hated on her to farm karma from the people who saw the original comic. Some people like that. It’s just a bit too toxic for me. I blocked her account a long time ago, so idk what she’s making these days.
Some people hate anything they perceive as popular, even within a niche.
I hate this art style almost as much as I hate Ben Garrison’s
It’s extremely bland, isn’t it?
It looks pretty normal to me…
Idk, it almost just depresses me to look at it. Something about it feels like 2000s benign
What a mean thing to say for no reason…
Well its the same reason any comments on any art style(like Ben Garrison’s)
People hated her on reddit too. Some of the comics are kinda lame but I don’t get the explicit hate. They can just scroll past them lol
I think part of the problem on Reddit was people just didn’t get the message she kinda sucks, and would post her bland, middle of the road takes everywhere.
Wow, are conservatives murdering and assassinating transexuals for being transexuals now? Where are the news about these events?
I do not believe conservatives are mad at or hate transexuals
I do believe, however, Conservatives don’t really care what you do on your own. Most disagree with transexuals in general, but most also aren’t interested in bossing you around.
I believe your post presumes wrongly that conservatives are spending their days obsessively looking for ways to control or cause either direct or indirect harm to you. They’re not.
The only things they are not really okay with and won’t allow you to do is pushing your views on them.
I understand they will be okay if you don’t ask them to change the facts on your birth certificate (yes, conservatives see what is in there as facts, you can disagree, but that’s how they see it)
I believe conservatives will be mostly okay if you don’t try to pass laws that punish them for not getting on board with your chosen views.
Same as well with using the state apparatus, taxpayer money, or use public schools to push your views.
They would probably be okay with consenting adults being free to dress in whatever way they want and do whatever they want to their own bodies.
However they would be also expecting to not be compelled in any way whatsoever to play along.
Again, that would mean no laws would be made to compel people to use pronouns or any other language they believe to be untrue.
Most surely, they would like that, In the same vein as dressing up differently doesn’t give you access to opposite sex bathrooms, getting surgical procedures done on yourself wouldn’t also give you access to the bathrooms of the opposite sex.
Very probably, In an ideal conservative world, transition surgery would be categorized as an elective cosmetic surgery, and advertised as such.
But yeah I’d like to see some sources on the murderstabs
Same as well with using the state apparatus, taxpayer money, or use public schools to push your views.
Yeah these same conservatives are trying to editorialize what books are available in libraries, I don’t really think they have personal freedoms at heart.
I believe your post presumes wrongly that conservatives are spending their days obsessively looking for ways to control or cause either direct or indirect harm to you. They’re not.
Then explain all your subsequent statements where conservatives are doing that very thing.
Same as well with using the state apparatus, taxpayer money, or use public schools to push your views.
The fact that transgender people exist is not a “view”. It’s a scientific fact. Maybe if your school had been funded better you would know this.
However they would be also expecting to not be compelled in any way whatsoever to play along.
It is not a game. They are not playing. They are expressing themselves. Treating them the way they want does no harm to anyone.
Most surely, they would like that, In the same vein as dressing up differently doesn’t give you access to opposite sex bathrooms, getting surgical procedures done on yourself wouldn’t also give you access to the bathrooms of the opposite sex.
Having mis-matched clothing or genitalia has never stopped anyone who wanted to do harm to someone else in a bathroom. This is a bullshit issue. https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/no-link-between-trans-inclusive-policies-bathroom-safety-study-finds-n911106
So no one is getting targeted by conservatives? Because that’s a very big thing to say. Anyone would expect this to be on news 24/7 if it were like that
You are on the wrong side of history, unfortunately you have plenty of company.
As for pushing views on others, not everybody is Christian, not everybody is straight, and white. But that’s been pushed on Americans for a long time. Those times are over, and MAGA is just an angry mob that can’t handle change and progress.
No arguments? Cool I guess.
Maga is fascist, not conservative.
Because of its strong stated desire to return to an idealised past it is both. There’s no need to split hairs.
You sound ignorant, transphobic and racist af, what the actual fuck is wrong with you?
You live in a make believe bubble that isnt reality in the slightest.
Conservatives are the least tolerant group of people in the country, with zero diversity.
Fuck off shitstain Trump loving inbred bitch.
I’m actually surprised you were able to read the comment given your lack of arguments, but descending into name calling is par the course when you have nothing else I guess
Descending into name calling is because you are a racist and transphobic asshole my dude, get the fuck over it snowflake. Your feelings got hurt? I dont give af how you feel since you are a racist transphobe.
Trump doesnt give a fuck about you, but keep on sucking his dick like a degen.
Not reading all that. Fuck off, transphobe
Who the hell says “transsexuals” anymore except folk who were out in the 90’s?
If you would like to read some articles how about Forbes?
NBC?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna125783
Congress? Bonus points they give you the stories of a bunch of the victims.
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117016/documents/HMKP-118-JU00-20240321-SD015.pdf
How about a long term view over ten years? Statista
https://www.statista.com/statistics/944726/murders-transgender-gender-diverse-people-us/
And these are the murders we know. They are difficult to find because a lot of coverage buries the lead on the trans nature of the victims so we only learn about them being trans after the fact. A lot of newspapers use dead names and pre transition photos and don’t mention current names and identities so in some of our communities we only know when someone has died except through word of mouth because when they show up in the paper they aren’t recognizable. This is also why articles tend to use the words “at least” or have inconsistent counts per year. New ones are always coming to light as friends and family struggle to get the word out.
You do not see these news articles because your news silo filters them out. There are vigils every year where the names are read out. The circumstances of those vigils are that the main reason for the violence was because of the victims gender identity. You asked for sources. Have at em.
The dude probably would have known these things if he switched to any news channel that wasn’t Fox.
Honestly a lot of news doesn’t actually cover this stuff as it should. Covering trans topics is usually something that causes backlash or requires a high degree of finesse in reporting and explaining so these modern lynchings go largely uncovered by the big mainstreamers except when they think they have a winner that’s straightforward enough to report in a short quippy segment.
Apologia at its finest! Well done.
Trans rights, quit lying to defend the people who want to outlaw my existence
edit Ooh hey the comms you moderate explain a lot about you :D why are you such a blatantly lying, hateful asshole?
No one wants to outlaw your existence lmao 🤣. I really doubt anyone cares that much about a random dude on the internet
Love your lack of arguments descending into name calling tho, I know you are doing your best
You can “believe” all you want in your happy little make-believe bubble, but the facts are that conservatives are trying to ban, restrict, redefine, and remove trans people from getting healthcare, from being referenced in media or schools (censored), and removing them from the military.
Here’s the list from the ACLU of all 456 anti-LGBTQ bills in the US.
Yeah, conservatives are so tolerant…
…oh. And there’s never been a law to force people to use correct pronouns. Ever. There’s never been an effort to “force” anyone or do anything. People were simply asking for you to respect them by using preferred pronouns. Asking for people to respect them as a human being is apparently an affront to US Conservatives.
Does that sound like murder? Nothing like the sorts
Those policies result in shit like this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/01/sam-nordquist-killing-matthew-shepard …and that was murder.
The language used by the state, that they are less than human, that they are evil, that they are less than human…leads to shit like this. Act dense all you want, but you know you’re wrong.
That’s a lot of words just to admit you’re fucking stupid.
You’re literally voting for the scum that are rolling back their rights, you dense pancake.
I do like pancakes
Sorr-, you are already way too deep in your rabbit hole. Nobidy of us will get you out there. Probably truth.social is a better platform for your views (judging from your profile).
That’s not so much a murder stab as a flesh stab. To spell that out, it can be a metaphor for:
- “If you’re a trans woman you must use the mens room, or if you’re a trans man you must use the women’s room”
- “My trans child is dead to me”
- “We’re going to remove trans soldiers from the military”
- “We’re going to spend your taxpayer dollars to actively remove anything in government that recognizes the existence of trans people”
- “We’re going to spread hate against you to win elections”
Ah yes because talking to people is equivalent to murdering them, case closed, thank you, gutsy gumshoe
I refuse to argue with you. Go play in traffic, you inbred cousinfucker.
Hey man if that’s the first thing that came to your head I have bad news for you
Hey bud I hope you trip on the next flight of stairs youre walking down and fall into a pit of broken glass.
I do believe, however, Conservatives don’t really care what you do on your own.
Then they should quit proposing and passing laws that affect and inhibit individual choice regarding sexuality, gender identity, and reproductive freedoms.
What?. No one is doing that LMAO
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/15/us/sam-nordquist-trans-man-murder/index.html
Here is 1. I just searched “trans murder usa” and this story was basically the first 5 stories and reading any of them should have been faster than writing your post.
Oh no they are wiping them out. The full country news cycle would be filled with it if it were true
I hope one day you’ll say the same when it affects your loved ones.
Yeah that’s why they’re also going after porn, no fault divorce, abortion, gay marriage, interracial marriage & drag queens. Because they don’t CARE what you do, they just want to criminalize you ever talking about it, advertising it, displaying it, or doing it.
“Conservatives want to murder all trans people” is hyperbole, but you’re living in the “conservatism = freedom of personal choice” fantasy land that used to be called libertarianism. If it ever existed, which is very doubtful, it certainly doesn’t now. You are in bed with the religious right that does actively want to criminalize all these things. Project 2025 puts that in black & white if you were too oblivious or stupid to realize it before.
Also, on a more personal note, fuck you. Trans rights are human rights.
So if it is hyperbole, why y’all getting mad at an hypothetical?
The post seems to imply that there is a concrete effort in wiping out transexuals all over the place. But that’s not the case
It’s a big accusation to make with no certain proof
Also loved the lack of arguments descending into name calling, keep it up
Wow, are conservatives murdering and assassinating transexuals for being transexuals now? Where are the news about these events?
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/15/us/sam-nordquist-trans-man-murder/index.html
it’s actually so common that it doesn’t usually make the news except when it’s ultra horrific like this
Wow just one, oh the humanity
Outliers are a thing
Open up a dictionary, and look up the word metaphor.
Current and new legslation, is resulting and will result in people dying.
And even outside that, yes, there absolutely have been murders where the motive was literally just “they were trans”.
I don’t even need to look it up to be 100% sure that has happened.
The post is basically implying a concerted effort in wiping out transexuals, but that’s not the case
Also, being “pretty sure” doesn’t fly in a court. You have to prove big accusations like that
You are gaslighting yourself into refusing reality.
You’ve received an avalanche of good faith arguments explaining where you’re wrong, it would take a herculean effort of self-delusion to dismiss it all.
Hmm, are those conservatives in the US Government? One state just passed a law making exhibitionism a felony if intent is established, but if the exposed genitals differ from the “expected” genitals, intent doesnt matter. Separate but equal i guess.
My trumpet sister has wisely stopped praising her false god in my presence when they visit at least
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